On 16-08-11 09:36 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Erno Kuvaja's message of 2016-08-11 13:59:54 +0100:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Doug Hellmann <d...@doughellmann.com> wrote:
Excerpts from Erno Kuvaja's message of 2016-08-11 12:26:59 +0100:
Hi all,
As follow up on the mailing list discussion [0], gerrit activity
[1][2] and cinder 3rd party CI policy [3] I'd like to initiate
discussion how Cinder follows, or rather does not follow, the standard
deprecation policy [4] as the project has been tagged on the assert
page [5].
I'm not here to argue about the justification or rightfulness of the
Cinder policy regarding the drivers with 3rd party CI. (quite frankly
I think the Cinder policy makes lots of sense and thus propose the
removal of the tag rather than change of that policy) Just stating the
obvious that the Cinder policy does not comply with the
follows-standard-deprecation and thus the tag should be removed from
Cinder.
Best,
Erno (jokke) Kuvaja
[0] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100717.html
[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348032/
[2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348042/
[3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers
[4]
https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html#requirements
[5]
https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html#application-to-current-projects
Can you be more specific about what you mean? Are you saying that
the policy isn't being followed because the drivers were removed
without a deprecation period, or is there something else to it?
Doug
Yes, that's how I see it. Cinder's own policy is that the drivers can
be removed without any warning to the consumers while the standard
deprecation policy defines quite strict lines about informing the
consumer of the functionality deprecation before it gets removed.
- Erno
Those policies do seem to be in conflict. We should consider whether
it makes sense to adjust Cinder's policy on drivers or remove the
stable tag.
I've added "[stable]" to the subject to get the stable team's input.
I think Tony's TZ means he's likely at the end of his day already,
by maybe some other members of the team will have something to add.
Doug
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I think Cinder's approach to removing third party drivers is to be
commended. I consider Cinder to be the example to follow in how to
interact with and address third party drivers and third party driver
maintainers (or not maintainers).
I would hope other projects follow Cinder's example here, rather than
perceive themselves as being deterred.
Thank you,
Anita.
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