Fox, Kevin M wrote:
> +1 for TripleO taking a look at Kolla.
> 
> Some random thoughts:
> 
> I'm in the middle of deploying a new cloud and I couldn't use either TripleO 
> or Kolla for various reasons. A few reasons for each:
>  * TripeO - worries me for ever having to do a major upgrade of the software, 
> or needing to do oddball configs like vxlans over ipoib.
>  * Kolla - At the time it was still immature. No stable artefacts posted. 
> database container recently broke, little documentation for disaster 
> recovery. No upgrade strategy at the time.
> 
> Kolla rearchitected recently to support oddball configs like we've had to do 
> at times. They also recently gained upgrade support. I think they are on the 
> right path. If I had to start fresh, I'd very seriously consider using it.
> 
> I think Kolla can provide the missing pieces that TripleO needs. TripleO has 
> bare metal deployment down solid. I really like the idea of using OpenStack 
> to deploy OpenStack. Kolla is now OpenStack so should be considered.
> 
> I'm also in favor of using Magnum to deploy a COE to manage Kolla. I'm much 
> less thrilled about Mesos though. It feels heavy enough weight that it feels 
> like your deploying an OpenStack like system just to deploy OpenStack. So, 
> OpenStack On NotOpenStack On OpenStack. :/ I've had good luck with Kubernetes 
> (much simpler) recently and am disappointed that it was too immature at the 
> time Kolla originally considered it. It seems much more feasible to use now. 
> I use net=host like features all the time which was a major sticking point 
> before.
> 
> I'd be interested in seeing TripeO use the Ansible version for now since 
> that's working, stable, and supports upgrades/oddball configs. Then in the 
> future as Kubernetes support or maybe Mesos support matures, consider that. 
> Kolla's going to have to have a migration path from one to the other 
> eventually... I think this would allow TripeO to really come into its own as 
> an end to end, production ready system sooner.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin

This is very much my thinking as well.  I like your pragmatic take on it.
The community is building solutions to these problems and we should join
them.

  Ian

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