On 02/22/2016 10:49 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 04:14:06PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> TL;DR: Let's split the events, starting after Barcelona. > > Yes, please. Your proposal addresses the big issue I have with current > summits which is the really poor timing wrt start of each dev cycle. > >> The idea would be to split the events. The first event would be for upstream >> technical contributors to OpenStack. It would be held in a simpler, >> scaled-back setting that would let all OpenStack project teams meet in >> separate rooms, but in a co-located event that would make it easy to have >> ad-hoc cross-project discussions. It would happen closer to the centers of >> mass of contributors, in less-expensive locations. > > The idea that we can choose less expensive locations is great, but I'm a > little wary of focusing too much on "centers of mass of contributors", as > it can easily become an excuse to have it in roughly the same places each > time. As a non-USA based contributor, I really value the fact the the > summits rotate around different regions instead of spending all the time > in the USA as was the case earlier in openstcck days. Minimizing travel > costs is no doubt a welcome aim for companies' budgets, but it should not > be allowed to dominate to such a large extent that we miss representation > of different regions. ie if we never went back to Asia because the it is > cheaper for the /current/ majority of contributors to go to the US, we'll > make it harder to attract new contributors from those regions we avoid on > cost ground. The "center of mass of contributors" could become a self- > fullfilling prophecy. > > IOW, I'm onboard with choosing less expensive locations, but would like > to see us still make the effort to reach out across different regions > for the events, and not become too US focused once again.
I agree with Dan here. Ensuring the events move around and go to different contributors is very important in ensuring we hear new or quiet voices. I was surprised at the difference in how operators approach their business in Europe as compared to the US and was glad to have the experience to hear their voice. I would like to believe we have the ability to continue to hold contributor events in different geographical areas. > >> The split should ideally reduce the needs to organize separate in-person >> mid-cycle events. If some are still needed, the main conference venue and >> time could easily be used to provide space for such midcycle events (given >> that it would end up happening in the middle of the cycle). > > The obvious risk with suggesting that current mid-cycle events could take > place alongside the business conference, is that the "business conference" > ends up being just as large as our combined conference is today. I think the obstacles to listening at a large event, or co-located with one, would be larger than any cost savings for using a spare room. The trouble is it is hard to put a dollar amount on listening or an environment that is conducive to listening. My ability to listen is inversely proportional to the amount of people I witness on any given day, regardless of whether they are in the room with me or not. Smaller is better for my ability to listen. Thank you, Anita. > IOW we > risk actually creating 4 big official developer events a year, instead of > the current 2 events + small unofficial mid-cycles. You'd need to find some > way to limit the scope of any "mid cycle" events that co-located with the > business conference to prevent it growing out of hand. We really want to > make sure we keep the mid-cycles portrayed as optional small scale > "hackathons", and not something that contributors feel obligated to > attend. IMHO they're already risking getting out of hand - it is hard to > feel well connected to development plans if you miss the mid-cycle events. > > Regards, > Daniel > __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
