From:  Dean Troyer
Reply-To:  "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
Date:  Friday 5 February 2016 at 14:57
To:  "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] "No Open Core" in 2016

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:57 AM, Thierry Carrez <[email protected]> wrote:
My personal take on that is that we can draw a line in the sand for what is 
acceptable as an official project in the upstream OpenStack open source effort. 
It should have a fully-functional, production-grade open source implementation. 
If you need proprietary software or a commercial entity to fully use the 
functionality of a project or getting serious about it, then it should not be 
accepted in OpenStack as an official project. It can still live as a 
non-official project and even be hosted under OpenStack infrastructure, but it 
should not be part of "OpenStack". That is how I would interpret "no open core" 
in OpenStack 2016.

Should we host projects that have no hope of becoming official projects due to 
this sort of criteria?  Would we host GPL-only projects under openstack/?
 
Of course, the devil is in the details, especially around what I mean by 
"fully-functional" and "production-grade". Is it just an API/stability thing, 
or does performance/scalability come into account ? There will always be some 
subjectivity there, but I think it's a good place to start.

I think defining 'fully-functional' is easy enough until you allow 'vendor 
extensions' into the API.  But there is still an amount of objective criteria 
to look at to make it something that a group of, say 13 judges, might arrive at 
a reasonable answer.

'Production-grade' is more subjective, especially with the size of deployment 
differences in 'production' for a bunch of other things.  But again, it is one 
of those things that reasonably technical people will generally arrive at a 
useful conclusion .  Existing components (DB, message queues, etc) can point at 
known production deployments as evidence; new components have a harder sell.

For a time many projects used SQLite as a reference implementation for testing 
DB functionality, and have moved away from that (completely? I'm not sure) as 
we all agree it really is not a production-grade implementation.  That is an 
easy example, but as a community we have crossed this bridge multiple times 
already and will be able to do it again.

This could also be covered by needing scaleable as well as fully-functional and 
production grade. Again, it would be subjective but it would avoid reference 
implementations that only work at devstack scale.

Tim


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Dean Troyer
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