I would not check that. We are not talking about installing browser plugins 
when users may not know what they want. Putting extra checks will create a more 
fool-proof but less configurable software. I’d vote for letting users shoot 
their feet using their plugins but making Fuel more flexible.


> 29 січ. 2016 р. о 15:05 Aleksey Kasatkin <akasat...@mirantis.com> написав(ла):
> 
> > jsonpatch
> 
> There were +1's regarding overriding VIPs above. I'd stick with that. It is 
> done for tasks now. But we will need to check conflicts between plugins there 
> (as for tasks).
> 
> 
> Aleksey Kasatkin
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Roman Prykhodchenko <m...@romcheg.me 
> <mailto:m...@romcheg.me>> wrote:
> Frankly, I have not though about how to deal with multiple plugins yet. 
> However, what I think is that we must not restrict this too much and let 
> users configure it more flexibly even if it allows to shoot one’s foot. 
> Perhaps we can add a per-cluster priority for enabled plugins which users can 
> configure via UI, CLI or API. My other thought is that we should not invent 
> our own mechanics for changing a configuration and use an existing one, say, 
> jsonpatch. What do you guys think?
> 
> P. S. [0] is really needed for 8.0 for implementing an important epic, so 
> please check it out. If it does not break anything, lets merge it ASAP.
> 
> - romcheg
> 
>> 28 січ. 2016 р. о 18:30 Aleksey Kasatkin <akasat...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:akasat...@mirantis.com>> написав(ла):
>> 
>> AFAIC, it is better to remove by name then. Otherwise, you do not know what 
>> VIPs you are removing.
>> Another option - remove "built-in" VIPs using some specific expression.
>> Anyway, you do not know where other VIPs (VIPs of other plugins) live so you 
>> cannot remove them this way.
>> 
>> And the order of plugins processing is not defined so there is no warranty 
>> you will remove all VIPs on those network roles.
>> Seems, checking for such conflict between plugins is needed.
>> 
>> The original goal, actually, was to remove VIPs for controllers (or for some 
>> particular node role, maybe),
>> so we should maybe find a way to do exactly this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Aleksey Kasatkin
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Aleksandr Didenko <adide...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:adide...@mirantis.com>> wrote:
>> > How are we handling this now for multiple plugins?
>> 
>> OK, so right now we can only add VIPs to array, we can't remove them. So 
>> overriding would disable such possibility of adding VIPs from different 
>> plugins. But with [0] patch it will be still possible to add and to remove 
>> by providing empty array. But we'll have the problem with multiple plugins 
>> in such case.
>> I've changed my mind :) I vote for leaving as in [0] since it's less 
>> destructive comparing to what we have now.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>> 
>> [0] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273169/1 
>> <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273169/1>
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Aleksandr Didenko <adide...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:adide...@mirantis.com>> wrote:
>> Well, with merging instead of overriding, I believe, this problem with 
>> multiple plugins still exists, right? How are we handling this now for 
>> multiple plugins?
>> Since VIPs is array I also vote for overriding, since merging it could be a 
>> pain (how do you remove existing element during array merge?).
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Aleksey Kasatkin <akasat...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:akasat...@mirantis.com>> wrote:
>> Roman, please provide more details on how VIPs are overridden. And how do 
>> you deal with multiple plugins.
>> 
>> 
>> Aleksey Kasatkin
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Aleksey Kasatkin <akasat...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:akasat...@mirantis.com>> wrote:
>> Good idea, overally.
>> 
>> How about multiple plugins? We don't have any sequence or priorities between 
>> them.
>> What if one plugin assumes that VIP is present but other one wants to remove 
>> it?
>> 
>> 
>> Aleksey Kasatkin
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Sergii Golovatiuk <sgolovat...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:sgolovat...@mirantis.com>> wrote:
>> +1 to overriding VIPs
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Sergii Golovatiuk,
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>> IRC #holser
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuk...@mirantis.com 
>> <mailto:vkuk...@mirantis.com>> wrote:
>> +1 to overriding VIPs
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Roman Prykhodchenko <m...@romcheg.me 
>> <mailto:m...@romcheg.me>> wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> currently merge policy for network roles only allows to add new VIPs to 
>> already existing roles [1]. If a plugin supplies a VIP with a name that 
>> already exists but with different parameters, Nailgun will not allow to do 
>> that. We faced a need to override configuration of several VIPs by 
>> completely removing them from network roles by supplying something like [2]. 
>> To enable that I’ve made a temporary workaround [3] to the merging policy 
>> that only handles one cornerstone.
>> 
>> I’ve talked to ikalnitsky and we realized that this functionality of merging 
>> new VIPs from plugins to an existing network role is actually wrong and 
>> should be replaced by complete overriding. Let’s discuss this possibility 
>> here.
>> 
>> 
>> References:
>> 
>> 1. 
>> https://github.com/openstack/fuel-web/blob/master/nailgun/nailgun/policy/merge.py#L55
>>  
>> <https://github.com/openstack/fuel-web/blob/master/nailgun/nailgun/policy/merge.py#L55>
>> 2. http://xsnippet.org/361361/ <http://xsnippet.org/361361/>
>> 3. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273169/1 
>> <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273169/1>
>> 
>> 
>> - romcheg
>> 
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