Hi Boahua,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The issues seen are not related to
"access", they are all related to API layer, so having ALLOW all etc does
not fix/workaround the problems I mentioned.

Please do share if you have something more to add.

Fawad Khaliq

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Baohua Yang <yangbao...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The similar problem has been discussed before.
> There is no definitive answer, and currently seems we cannot simply
> disable it since G version.
> However, we can add some ALLOW rules to bypass the rules inside the
> iptables chains.
> Hope there be more flexibility to controller the security groups in the
> future release.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Fawad Khaliq <fa...@plumgrid.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have had discussions with some folks individually about this but I
>> would like bring this to a broader audience.
>>
>> I have been playing with security groups and I see the notion of
>> 'default' security group seems to create some nuisance/issues.
>>
>> There are list of things I have noticed so far:
>>
>>    - Tenant for OpenStack services (normally named service/services)
>>    also ends up having default security group.
>>    - Port create operation ends up ensuring default security groups for
>>    all the tenants as this completely seems out of the context of the tenant
>>    the port operation takes place. (bug?)
>>    - Race conditions where if system is stressed and Neutron tries to
>>    ensure the first default security group and in parallel another call 
>> comes,
>>    Neutron ends up trying to create multiple default security groups as the
>>    checks for duplicate groups are invalidated as soon as the call make past 
>> a
>>    certain point in code.
>>    - API performance where orchestration chooses to spawn 1000 tenants
>>    and we see unnecessary overhead.
>>    - For plugins that use RESTful proxy backends require the backend
>>    systems to be up at the time neutron starts. [Minor, but affects some
>>    packaging solutions]
>>
>>
>> To summarize, is there a way to disable default security groups? Expected
>> answer is no; can we introduce a way to disable it? If that does not make
>> sense, should we go ahead and fix the issues around it?
>>
>> I am sure some of you must have seen some of these issues and solved them
>> already. Please do share how do tackle these issues?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fawad Khaliq
>>
>>
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>
>
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> Baohua
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