TL;DR: branchless Tempest shouldn't impact on backporting policy, yet makes it difficult to test new features not discoverable via APIs
Folks, At the project/release status meeting yesterday[1], I raised the issue that featureful backports to stable are beginning to show up[2], purely to facilitate branchless Tempest. We had a useful exchange of views on IRC but ran out of time, so this thread is intended to capture and complete the discussion. The issues, as I see it, are: * Tempest is expected to do double-duty as both the integration testing harness for upstream CI and as a tool for externally probing capabilities in public clouds * Tempest has an implicit bent towards pure API tests, yet not all interactions between OpenStack services that we want to test are mediated by APIs * We don't have another integration test harness other than Tempest that we could use to host tests that don't just make assertions about the correctness/presence of versioned APIs * We want to be able to add new features to Juno, or fix bugs of omission, in ways that aren't necessarily discoverable in the API; without backporting these patches to stable if we wouldn't have done so under the normal stable-maint policy[3] * Integrated projects are required[4] to provide Tempest coverage, so the rate of addition of tests to Tempest is unlikely to slow down anytime soon So the specific type of test that I have in mind would be common for Ceilometer, but also possibly for Ironic and others: 1. an end-user initiates some action via an API (e.g. calls the cinder snapshot API) 2. this initiates some actions behind the scenes (e.g. a volume is snapshot'd and a notification emitted) 3. the test reasons over some expected side-effect (e.g. some metering data shows up in ceilometer) The branchless Tempest spec envisages new features will be added and need to be skipped when testing stable/previous, but IIUC requires that the presence of new behaviors is externally discoverable[5]. One approach mooted for allowing these kind of scenarios to be tested was to split off the pure-API aspects of Tempest so that it can be used for probing public-cloud-capabilities as well as upstream CI, and then build project-specific mini-Tempests to test integration with other projects. Personally, I'm not a fan of that approach as it would require a lot of QA expertise in each project, lead to inefficient use of CI nodepool resources to run all the mini-Tempests, and probably lead to a divergent hotchpotch of per-project approaches. Another idea would be to keep all tests in Tempest, while also micro-versioning the services such that tests can be skipped on the basis of whether a particular feature-adding commit is present. When this micro-versioning can't be discovered by the test (as in the public cloud capabilities probing case), those tests would be skipped anyway. The final, less palatable, approach that occurs to me would be to revert to branchful Tempest. Any other ideas, or preferences among the options laid out above? Cheers, Eoghan [1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-07-08-21.03.html [2] https://review.openstack.org/104863 [3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Appropriate_Fixes [4] https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/incubation-integration-requirements.rst#qa-1 [5] https://github.com/openstack/qa-specs/blob/master/specs/implemented/branchless-tempest.rst#scenario-1-new-tests-for-new-features _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev