On Jun 17, 2014, at 13:34, Andrew Laski <andrew.la...@rackspace.com> wrote:

> It appears that locking was added in 2010 
> (8aea573bd2e44e152fb4ef1627640bab1818dede), at which time commit messages 
> weren't nearly as clear and helpful as they now are so there's not much 
> insight from that.  But the lock checking methods added at that time have a 
> docstring that includes "decorator used for preventing action against locked 
> instances".  So the original intent seems to be that API actions would not be 
> allowed against locked instances.  From that point of view snapshotting 
> should be disallowed.

That's what I was going on initially too. I was ignorant about what locking 
instances is really for and didn't find documentation about it other than some 
anecdotal things in ML archive.

> Having said that, the main reason that I've heard for locks being used is to 
> prevent accidental deletes.  And I've heard requests for locks that only 
> prevent deletes.  So in my experience users want more granular locks, not 
> more inclusive locking.  So I wouldn't consider it a bug that snapshots are 
> allowed while an instance is locked.

That's interesting and good to know.

> But getting back to the original issue, I'm not sure locking snapshots is 
> going to help.  The intent seems to be keeping users from gaining access to 
> data that's within the instance.  But locks don't keep a user from seeing 
> what's on the instance, or doing something like an LVM snapshot of the data 
> from within the instance.

That's true and underscores why locking as a security measure doesn't make much 
sense. There are too many ways to get around it that you end up with a quite 
incomplete lockdown.

I think we have consensus that instance locking to protect content isn't an 
appropriate use of the feature and anyway isn't a complete solution to that 
problem. Instance locking prevents accidental changes/deletion of an instance 
by way of the api. And in Michael's example scenario of having to unlock (and 
risk accidental change/delete) in order to take a snapshot of an important 
instance, disabling snapshot of a locked instance would actively disrupt the 
expected use case of instance locking.

Thanks all for the discussion -- I learned a lot about this feature and I'll be 
updating the lp bug (not a bug) and review.

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