Forgot to provide the email addresses of Paul and Simon in my last mail: paul.lip...@ca.com smo...@de.ibm.com
Regards, Thomas > From: Thomas Spatzier/Germany/IBM@IBMDE > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List \(not for usage questions\)" > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Date: 05/03/2014 10:21 > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano > > Georgy Okrokvertskhov <gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com> wrote on 05/03/2014 > 00:32:08: > > > From: Georgy Okrokvertskhov <gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com> > > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > > Date: 05/03/2014 00:34 > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano > > > > Hi Thomas, Zane, > > > > Thank you for bringing TOSCA to the discussion. I think this is > > important topic as it will help to find better alignment or even > > future merge of Murano DSL and Heat templates. Murano DSL uses YAML > > representation too, so we can easily merge use constructions from > > Heat and probably any other YAML based TOSCA formats. > > > > I will be glad to join TOSCA TC. Is there any formal process for that? > > The first part is that your company must be a member of OASIS. If that is > the case, I think you can simply go to the TC page [1] and click a button > to join the TC. If your company is not yet a member, you could get in touch > with the TC chairs Paul Lipton and Simon Moser and ask for the best next > steps. We recently had people from GigaSpaces join the TC, and since they > are also doing very TOSCA aligned implementation in Cloudify, their input > will probably help a lot to advance TOSCA. > > > > > I also would like to use this opportunity and start conversation > > with Heat team about Heat roadmap and feature set. As Thomas > > mentioned in his previous e-mail TOSCA topology story is quite > > covered by HOT. At the same time there are entities like Plans which > > are covered by Murano. We had discussion about bringing workflows to > > Heat engine before HK summit and it looks like that Heat team has no > > plans to bring workflows into Heat. That is actually why we > > mentioned Orchestration program as a potential place for Murano DSL > > as Heat+Murano together will cover everything which is defined by TOSCA. > > I remember the discussions about whether to bring workflows into Heat or > not. My personal opinion is that workflows are probably out of the scope of > Heat (i.e. everything but the derived orchestration flows the Heat engine > implements). So there could well be a layer on-top of Heat that lets Heat > deal with all topology-related declarative business and adds workflow-based > orchestration around it. TOSCA could be a way to describe the respective > overarching models and then hand the different processing tasks to the > right engine to deal with it. > > > > > I think TOSCA initiative can be a great place to collaborate. I > > think it will be possible then to use Simplified TOSCA format for > > Application descriptions as TOSCA is intended to provide such > descriptions. > > > > Is there a team who are driving TOSCA implementation in OpenStack > > community? I feel that such team is necessary. > > We started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT converter and our team member > Sahdev (IRC spzala) has recently submitted code for a new stackforge > project [2]. This is very initial, but could be a point to collaborate. > > [1] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tosca > [2] https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator > > Regards, > Thomas > > > > > Thanks > > Georgy > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Thomas Spatzier > <thomas.spatz...@de.ibm.com > > > wrote: > > Excerpt from Zane Bitter's message on 04/03/2014 23:16:21: > > > From: Zane Bitter <zbit...@redhat.com> > > > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > > Date: 04/03/2014 23:20 > > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano > > > > > > On 04/03/14 00:04, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: > > > > > > > It so happens that the OASIS's TOSCA technical committee are working as > > > we speak on a "TOSCA Simple Profile" that will hopefully make things > > > easier to use and includes a YAML representation (the latter is great > > > IMHO, but the key to being able to do it is the former). Work is still > > > at a relatively early stage and in my experience they are very much > open > > > to input from implementers. > > > Nice, I was probably also writing a mail with this information at about > the > > same time :-) > > And yes, we are very much interested in feedback from implementers and > open > > to suggestions. If we can find gaps and fill them with good proposals, > now > > is the right time. > > > > > > > > I would strongly encourage you to get involved in this effort (by > > > joining the TOSCA TC), and also to architect Murano in such a way that > > > it can accept input in multiple formats (this is something we are > making > > > good progress toward in Heat). Ideally the DSL format for Murano+Heat > > > should be a trivial translation away from the relevant parts of the > YAML > > > representation of TOSCA Simple Profile. > > > Right, having a straight-forward translation would be really desirable. > The > > way to get there can actually be two-fold: (1) any feedback we get from > the > > Murano folks on the TOSCA simple profile and YAML can help us to make > TOSCA > > capable of addressing the right use cases, and (2) on the other hand make > > sure the implementation goes in a direction that is in line with what > TOSCA > > YAML will look like. > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > Zane. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenStack-dev mailing list > > > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenStack-dev mailing list > > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > -- > > Georgy Okrokvertskhov > > Architect, > > OpenStack Platform Products, > > Mirantis > > http://www.mirantis.com > > Tel. +1 650 963 9828 > > Mob. +1 650 996 3284_______________________________________________ > > OpenStack-dev mailing list > > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
