> I though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues > (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the > Foundation.
Two separate issues that perhaps got mashed together :) Unofficial WeChat channels are limited to ~500 participants and are invite-only. That makes a few challenges for a community of our size (much more than 500!). Official subscription channels don’t have these limitations, but there’s a lengthy process to get one. It’s currently in progress (unfortunately I don’t think we have an ETA beyond “in progress” at this point—more than one month; less than six months?). Anne Bertucio OpenStack Foundation a...@openstack.org | irc: annabelleB > On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Lance Bragstad <lbrags...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 1:42 PM Mohammed Naser <mna...@vexxhost.com > <mailto:mna...@vexxhost.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > On that note, is there any way to get an 'invite' onto those channels? > > Any information about the foundation side of things about the > 'official' channels? > > I actually have a question about this as well. During the TC discussion last > Friday there was representation from the Foundation in the room. I though I > remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues (technical or > otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the Foundation. > > Does anyone know what issues were being referred to here? > > > Thanks, > Mohammed > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 3:28 PM Samuel Cassiba <sam...@cassi.ba > <mailto:sam...@cassi.ba>> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:58 AM Sylvain Bauza <sylvain.ba...@gmail.com > > <mailto:sylvain.ba...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 15:32, Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org > > > <mailto:fu...@yuggoth.org>> a écrit : > > >> > > >> On 2018-09-16 14:14:41 +0200 (+0200), Jean-philippe Evrard wrote: > > >> [...] > > >> > - What is the problem joining Wechat will solve (keeping in mind the > > >> > language barrier)? > > >> > > >> As I understand it, the suggestion is that mere presence of project > > >> leadership in venues where this emerging subset of our community > > >> gathers would provide a strong signal that we support them and care > > >> about their experience with the software. > > >> > > >> > - Isn't this problem already solved for other languages with > > >> > existing initiatives like local ambassadors and i18n team? Why > > >> > aren't these relevant? > > >> [...] > > >> > > >> It seems like there are at least couple of factors at play here: > > >> first the significant number of users and contributors within > > >> mainland China compared to other regions (analysis suggests there > > >> were nearly as many contributors to the Rocky release from China as > > >> the USA), but second there may be facets of Chinese culture which > > >> make this sort of demonstrative presence a much stronger signal than > > >> it would be in other cultures. > > >> > > >> > - Pardon my ignorance here, what is the problem with email? (I > > >> > understand some chat systems might be blocked, I thought emails > > >> > would be fine, and the lowest common denominator). > > >> > > >> Someone in the TC room (forgive me, I don't recall who now, maybe > > >> Rico?) asserted that Chinese contributors generally only read the > > >> first message in any given thread (perhaps just looking for possible > > >> announcements?) and that if they _do_ attempt to read through some > > >> of the longer threads they don't participate in them because the > > >> discussion is presumed to be over and decisions final by the time > > >> they "reach the end" (I guess not realizing that it's perfectly fine > > >> to reply to a month-old discussion and try to help alter course on > > >> things if you have an actual concern?). > > >> > > > > > > While I understand the technical issues that could be due using IRC in > > > China, I still don't get why opening the gates and saying WeChat being > > > yet another official channel would prevent our community from fragmenting. > > > > > > Truly the usage of IRC is certainly questionable, but if we have multiple > > > ways to discuss, I just doubt we could prevent us to silo ourselves > > > between our personal usages. > > > Either we consider the new channels as being only for southbound > > > communication, or we envisage the possibility, as a community, to migrate > > > from IRC to elsewhere (I'm particulary not fan of the latter so I would > > > challenge this but I can understand the reasons) > > > > > > -Sylvain > > > > > > > Objectively, I don't see a way to endorse something other than IRC > > without some form of collective presence on more than just Wechat to > > keep the message intact. IRC is the official messaging platform, for > > whatever that's worth these days. However, at present, it makes less > > and less sense to explicitly eschew other outlets in favor. From a > > Chef OpenStack perspective, the common medium is, perhaps not > > unsurprising, code review. Everything else evolved over time to be > > southbound paths to the code, including most of the conversation > > taking place there as opposed to IRC. > > > > The continuation of this thread only confirms that there is already > > fragmentation in the community, and that people on each side of the > > void genuinely want to close that gap. At this point, the thing to do > > is prevent further fragmentation of the intent. It is, however, far > > easier to bikeshed over which platform of choice. > > > > At present, it seems a collective presence is forming ad hoc, > > regardless of any such resolution. With some additional coordination > > and planning, I think that there could be something that could scale > > beyond one or two outlets. > > > > Best, > > Samuel > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > <http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe> > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev> > > > > -- > Mohammed Naser — vexxhost > ----------------------------------------------------- > D. 514-316-8872 > D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200 > E. mna...@vexxhost.com <mailto:mna...@vexxhost.com> > W. http://vexxhost.com <http://vexxhost.com/> > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > <http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev> > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org > <mailto:openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org>?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev>
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