On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Hi everyone! > > It's yet another of these emails where I'm going to complain out of > frustration because of OpenStack having bugs when running with the > newest stuff... Sorry in advance ! :) > > tl;dr: It's urgent, we need Python 3.7 uwsgi + SSL gate jobs. > > Longer version: > > When Python 3.6 reached Debian, i already forwarded a few patches. It > went quite ok, but still... When switching services to Python 3 for > Newton, I discover that many services still had issues with uwsgi / > mod_wsgi, and I spent a large amount of time trying to figure out ways > to fix the situation. Some patches are still not yet merged, even though > it was a community goal to have this support for Newton: > > Neutron: > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555608/ > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580049/ > > Neutron FWaaS: > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580327/ > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/579433/ > > Horizon tempest plugin: > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575714/ > > Oslotet (clearly, the -1 is for someone considering only Devstack / > venv, not understanding packaging environment): > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571962/ > > Designate: > As much as I know, it still doesn't support uwsgi / mod_wsgi (please let > me know if this changed recently). > > There may be more, I didn't have much time investigating some projects > which are less important to me. > > Now, both Debian and Ubuntu have Python 3.7. Every package which I > upload in Sid need to support that. Yet, OpenStack's CI is still lagging > with Python 3.5. And there's lots of things currently broken. We've > fixed most "async" stuff, though we are failing to rebuild > oslo.messaging (from Queens) with Python 3.7: unit tests are just > hanging doing nothing. > > I'm very happy to do small contributions to each and every component > here and there whenever it's possible, but this time, it's becoming a > little bit frustrating. I sometimes even got replies like "hum ... > OpenStack only supports Python 3.5" a few times. That's not really > acceptable, unfortunately. > > So moving forward, what I think needs to happen is: > > - Get each and every project to actually gate using uwsgi for the API, > using both Python 3 and SSL (any other test environment is *NOT* a real > production environment). > > - The gating has to happen with whatever is the latest Python 3 version > available. Best would even be if we could have that *BEFORE* it reaches > distributions like Debian and Ubuntu. I'm aware that there's been some > attempts in the OpenStack infra to have Debian Sid (which is probably > the distribution getting the updates the faster). This effort needs to > be restarted, and some (non-voting ?) gate jobs needs to be setup using > whatever the latest thing is. If it cannot happen with Sid, then I don't > know, choose another platform, and do the Python 3-latest gating...
When you asked about this last month I suggested Tumbleweed as an option. You get rolling release packages that are almost always up to date. I'd still suggest that now as a place to start. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131302.html > > The current situation with the gate still doing Python 3.5 only jobs is > just not sustainable anymore. Moving forward, Python 2.7 will die. When > this happens, moving faster with Python 3 versions will be mandatory for > everyone, not only for fools like me who made the switch early. > > </end of ranting> :) > > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) > > P.S: A big thanks to everyone who where helpful for making the switch to > Python 3 in Debian, especially Annp and the rest of the Neutron team. __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
