Matt Riedemann wrote: > I don't get the inward/outward thing. First two days of the old design > summit (ops summit?) format was all cross-project stuff (docs, upgrades, > testing, ops feedback, etc). That's the same as what happens at the PTG > now too. The last three days of the old design summit (and now PTG) are > vertical project discussion for the most part, but Thursday has also > become a de-facto cross-project day for a lot of teams (nova/cinder, > nova/neutron, nova/ironic all happened on Thursday). I'm not sure what > is happening at the Forum events that is so wildly different, or more > productive, than what we can do at the PTG - and arguably do it better > at the PTG because of fewer distractions to be giving talks, talking to > customers, and having time-boxed 40 minute slots.
The PTG has always been about taking the team discussions that happened at the Ops Summit / Design Summit to have them in a more productive environment. Beyond the suboptimal productivity (due to too many distractions / other commitments), the problem with the old Design Summit was that it prevented team members from making the best use of the Summit event. You would travel to a place where all our community gets together, only to isolate yourself with your teammates trying to get stuff done. That was silly. You should use the time there to engage *outside* of your team. And by that I don't mean inter-team work, or participating to other groups like SIGs or horizontal teams. I mean giving talks, presenting the work you do (and how you do it) to newcomers, watching talks, engaging with happy users, learning about the state of our ecosystem, and discussing cross-community issues with a larger section of our community (at the Forum). The context switch between this inward work (work with your team, or work within any transversal work group you're interested in), and this outward work (engaging with other groups you're not a part of, listening to newcomers) is expensive. It's hard to take the time to *listen* when you try to get your work for the next 6 months organized and done. Oh, and in the above paragraphs, I'm not distinguishing "devs" from "ops". This applies to all teams, to any contributor engaged in making OpenStack a reality. Having the Public Cloud WG team meet at the PTG was great, and we should definitely have ANY OpenStack team wanting to meet and get things done at future PTGs. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
