On 2013/06/12 15:16, Anne Gentle wrote:
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Thierry Carrez <thie...@openstack.org
<mailto:thie...@openstack.org>> wrote:
Jaromir Coufal wrote:
> [...]
> I am not trying to convince anybody here, I accept the decision
'no' (at
> least for this moment). I just feel that it was not consensus
that most
> of people thinks that this is nonsense. I don't see any strong
reasons
> why not. In time, I believe more people will see how important
it is and
> hopefully OpenStack will recognize UX efforts officially.
> [...]
It's certainly not consensus, and I don't think anybody said this was
nonsense. It's just a delicate balance, and trying to find the most
sustainable and efficient way to bring UX concerns within
projects. Like
I said, the last thing we want is a fight between UX folks on one side
asking for stuff to get done and on the other side nobody in projects
actually caring about getting it done.
That said, I think you made great arguments for keeping a leg out and
organize in a cross-project way. After all we have other projects
(like
QA) which do that very successfully, so I'm definitely willing to
consider UX as a separate program.
My main concern would be that the UX team is relatively new (the
launchpad tracker for example was created on Oct 20) and that we
haven't
seen you around enough to see how you would interact with projects and
get your priorities across. There is no weekly UX team meetings listed
on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings, either.
Programs are about blessing existing teams and efforts (which already
obtain results), *not* to bootstrap new ones. We look into the team's
work and results and decide those are essential to the production of
OpenStack. So my advice to you would be to organize yourselves as a
team, engage with projects, deliver clear results, communicate around
those... and then apply again to be a "Program" if you think that's
still relevant.
Sure Thierry, it all makes sense and I understand that. I am very happy
to continue in our efforts and that's actually what I wanted to express
that we might ask later.
Only thing what I want to make sure though is that we have enough space
at design summits, but I will revive this topic closer to the summit itself.
I too would really like you all to organize as a team very similar to
how the Security team organizes itself - very much like what you are
doing now.
It's interesting, the Security team ended up with a book sprint that
produced a book deliverable that is a very valuable piece of
documentation, and that wasn't a goal going in. So I think that the
more you look for opportunities for UX across projects the more
deliverables you could find that we haven't identified yet. So I
really want to encourage you to keep looking for those areas where we
have need for good experiences.
Thanks,
Anne
Thanks Anne, what the security team ended up is all awesome. I am eager
to find out all the areas where we can help and jump in - hopefully we
will get enough resources in time to cover more and more issues.
Cheers
-- Jarda
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