On 03/21/2017 11:40 AM, Wesley Hayutin wrote:
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Emilien Macchi <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Paul Belanger
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 06:54:27PM +0200, Sagi Shnaidman wrote:
>> Hi, Paul
>> I would say that real worthwhile try starts from "normal" priority,
because
>> we want to run promotion jobs more *often*, not more *rarely* which
happens
>> with low priority.
>> In addition the initial idea in the first mail was running them each
after
>> other almost, not once a day like it happens now or with "low" priority.
>>
> As I've said, my main reluctance is is how the gate will react if we
create a
> new pipeline with the same priority as our check pipeline. I would much
rather
> since on caution, default to 'low', see how things react for a day / week
/
> month, then see what it would like like a normal. I want us to be
caution about
> adding a new pipeline, as it dynamically changes how our existing
pipelines
> function.
>
> Further more, this is actually a capacity issue for
tripleo-test-cloud-rh1,
> there currently too many jobs running for the amount of hardware. If
these jobs
> were running on our donated clouds, we could get away with a low priority
> periodic pipeline.
multinode jobs are running under donated clouds but as you know ovb not.
We want to keep ovb jobs in our promotion pipeline because they bring
high value to the tests (ironic, ipv6, ssl, probably more).
Another alternative would be to reduce it to one ovb job (ironic with
introspection + ipv6 + ssl at minimum) and use the 4 multinode jobs
into the promotion pipeline -instead of the 3 ovb.
I'm +1 on using one ovb jobs + 4 multinode jobs.
Then we lose coverage on the ipv4 net-iso case and the no net-iso case,
both of which are very common, even if only with developers. There's a
reason we've always run 3 OVB jobs.
I believe we also had timeout issues in the past when trying to test all
the things in a single periodic job. I'm not sure if it's still an
issue, but that's why logic like
http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/tripleo-ci/tree/toci_gate_test-orig.sh#n135
exists.
Ultimately, the problem here is not adding another handful of periodic
jobs to rh1. It's already running something like 750 per day, another
~15 is not that big a deal. But adding them as low priority jobs isn't
going to work because of the other 750 jobs being run per day that will
crowd them out.
current: 3 ovb jobs running every night
proposal: 18 ovb jobs per day
The addition will cost us 15 jobs into rh1 load. Would it be acceptable?
> Now, allow me to propose another solution.
>
> RDO project has their own version of zuul, which has the ability to do
periodic
> pipelines. Since tripleo-test-cloud-rh2 is still around, and has OVB
ability, I
> would suggest configuring this promoting pipeline within RDO, as to not
affect
> the capacity of tripleo-test-cloud-rh1. This now means, you can
continuously
> enqueue jobs at a rate of 4 hours, priority shouldn't matter as you are
the only
> jobs running on tripleo-test-cloud-rh2, resulting in faster promotions.
Using RDO would also be an option. I'm just not sure about our
available resources, maybe other can reply on this one.
The purpose of the periodic jobs are two fold.
1. ensure the latest built packages work
2. ensure the tripleo check gates continue to work with out error
Running the promotion in review.rdoproject would not cover #2. The
rdoproject jobs
would be configured in slightly different ways from upstream tripleo.
Running the promotion
in ci.centos has the same issue.
Using tripleo-testcloud-rh2 I think is fine.
No, it's not. rh2 has been repurposed as a developer cloud and is
oversubscribed as it is. There is no more capacity in either rh1 or rh2
at this point.
Well, strictly speaking rh1 has more capacity, but I believe we've
reached the point of diminishing returns where adding more jobs slows
down all the jobs, and since we keep adding slower and slower jobs that
isn't going to work. As it is OVB jobs are starting to timeout again
(although there may be other factors besides load at work there - things
are kind of a mess right now).
> This also make sense, as packaging is done in RDO, and you are triggering
Centos
> CI things as a result.
Yes, it would make sense. Right now we have zero TripleO testing when
doing changes in RDO packages (we only run packstack and puppet jobs
which is not enough). Again, I think it's a problem of capacity here.
We made a pass at getting multinode jobs running in RDO with tripleo.
That was
initially not very successful and we chose to instead focus on
upstream. We *do*
have it on our list to gate packages from RDO builds with tripleo. In
the short term
that gate will use rdocloud, in the long term we'd also like to gate w/
multinode nodepool jobs in RDO.
Thoughts?
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Paul Belanger
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 03:42:32PM -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 03/13/2017 02:29 PM, Sagi Shnaidman wrote:
>> > > > Hi, all
>> > > >
>> > > > I submitted a change:
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443964/
<https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443964/>
>> > > > but seems like it reached a point which requires an additional
>> > discussion.
>> > > >
>> > > > I had a few proposals, it's increasing period to 12 hours
instead of 4
>> > > > for start, and to leave it in regular periodic *low*
precedence.
>> > > > I think we can start from 12 hours period to see how it
goes, although
>> > I
>> > > > don't think that 4 only jobs will increase load on OVB
cloud, it's
>> > > > completely negligible comparing to current OVB capacity and
load.
>> > > > But making its precedence as "low" IMHO completely removes
any sense
>> > > > from this pipeline to be, because we already run
experimental-tripleo
>> > > > pipeline which this priority and it could reach timeouts
like 7-14
>> > > > hours. So let's assume we ran periodic job, it's queued to
run now 12 +
>> > > > "low queue length" - about 20 and more hours. It's even
worse than
>> > usual
>> > > > periodic job and definitely makes this change useless.
>> > > > I'd like to notice as well that those periodic jobs unlike
"usual"
>> > > > periodic are used for repository promotion and their value
are equal or
>> > > > higher than check jobs, so it needs to run with "normal" or
even "high"
>> > > > precedence.
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, it makes no sense from an OVB perspective to add these
as low
>> > priority
>> > > jobs. Once in a while we've managed to chew through the entire
>> > experimental
>> > > queue during the day, but with the containers job added it's very
>> > unlikely
>> > > that's going to happen anymore. Right now we have a 4.5 hour
wait time
>> > just
>> > > for the check queue, then there's two hours of experimental
jobs queued
>> > up
>> > > behind that. All of which means if we started a low priority
periodic
>> > job
>> > > right now it probably wouldn't run until about midnight my
time, which I
>> > > think is when the regular periodic jobs run now.
>> > >
>> > Lets just give it a try? A 12 hour periodic job with low
priority. There is
>> > nothing saying we cannot iterate on this after a few days /
weeks / months.
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Wesley Hayutin
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Jeremy Stanley
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > On 2017-03-07 10:12:58 -0500 (-0500), Wesley
Hayutin wrote:
>> > > > > The TripleO team would like to initiate a
conversation about
>> > the
>> > > > > possibility of creating a new pipeline in
Openstack Infra to
>> > allow
>> > > > > a set of jobs to run periodically every four hours
>> > > > [...]
>> > > >
>> > > > The request doesn't strike me as
contentious/controversial.
>> > Why not
>> > > > just propose your addition to the zuul/layout.yaml
file in the
>> > > > openstack-infra/project-config repo and hash out
any resulting
>> > > > concerns via code review?
>> > > > --
>> > > > Jeremy Stanley
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Sounds good to me.
>> > > > We thought it would be nice to walk through it in an
email first :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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