Agree with Clint completely! In my opinion it would be a big mistake to separate the lists. There are tools in modern e-mail readers to filter specific content into separate views. Why should OpenStack Foundation do it for us?
Alex Freedland Co-Founder and Chairman Mirantis, Inc. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Clint Byrum <cl...@fewbar.com> wrote: > Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the > > openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and > > November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just > > off-topic (and I've been regularly fighting against them) but most of > > them are just about us covering an ever-increasing scope, stretching the > > definition of what we include in "openstack development". > > > > Therefore I'd like to propose a split between two lists: > > > > *openstack-dev*: Discussions on future development for OpenStack > > official projects > > > > *stackforge-dev*: Discussions on development for stackforge-hosted > projects > > > > Non-official "OpenStack-related" projects would get discussed in > > stackforge-dev (or any other list of their preference), while > > openstack-dev would be focused on openstack official programs (including > > incubated & integrated projects). > > > > That means discussion about Solum, Mistral, Congress or Murano > > (stackforge/* repos in gerrit) would now live on stackforge-dev. > > Discussions about Glance, TripleO or Oslo libraries (openstack*/* repos > > on gerrit) would happen on openstack-dev. This will allow easier > > filtering and prioritization; OpenStack developers interested in > > tracking promising stackforge projects would subscribe to both lists. > > > > That will not solve all issues. We should also collectively make sure > > that *usage questions are re-routed* to the openstack general > > mailing-list, where they belong. Too many people still answer off-topic > > questions here on openstack-dev, which encourages people to be off-topic > > in the future (traffic on the openstack general ML has been mostly > > stable, with only 868 posts in October). With those actions, I hope that > > traffic on openstack-dev would drop back to the 1000-1500 range, which > > would be more manageable for everyone. > > > > Allow me an analogy if you will: > > Consider a burgeoning city. There are people who have been around a long > time. Some are politicians, some work for the city, some are just good > citizens. These people see newcomers in the commons and greet them with > open arms. Those who have only been around a while see those and see that > this is a city where new people are welcome, and they do the same as the > old timers, welcoming new residents and visitors alike, and they also > feel even more welcome than before they noticed that. Though newcomers > must wait a while and gain the trust of the old-timers to call themselves > citizens, they are already encouraged to participate in discussions at > every level and to organize themselves in the same way as the old-timers. > > Now consider a different city. Things are quiet in the commons. Newcomers > are greeted with a sign. "Newcomers over there->". That part of town is > unknown to the rest of the world. It has less infrastructure. It also > has very little representation in the government. The line is very clear > between the citizens and the newcomers. When the newcomers want to become > full citizens, they have to go before a council of old-timers, some of > whom have specifically decided to ignore newcomers until this moment. > > Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >
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