>tough guidelines to have all advertisement materials say this

Is this 'minor feature' listed in -all- advertising materials?  The OpenSSL
attributions only need to be in advertising that lists the specific feature
dependent on it, would that be -all- advertising your company is doing?
I would doubt it.

Back of the box and in the manual is where most product minor features would
be advertised.

Ted
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  Thats kind of difficult because we are making a retail video game that
uses libcurl to talk http for one of the minor features the game has.

  We've already had commercials on tv and tons of advertisements go out.

  It seems like pretty tough guidelines to have all advertisement materials
say this.

  I'm a coder so i know where the license is coming from but from a
practical standpoint i know I couldn't convince my company to do this in tv
commercials, magazine adds etc.  I know they would be ok to put something in
the credits but aparently that's not enough here.

  Growl I guess i'm going to have to find an alternative ):

  Thanks for your help




  On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

    It is fine to use OpenSSL as long as the instructions IN that license
are followed, note:

    "...All advertising materials mentioning features ..."

    That is pretty broad.  Basically, if your commercial application has a
    spec sheet or other sheet that is distributed as part of an
advertisement
    of the product (available on the website for download, or whatever) that
    lists a line item of a feature that your software has which is dependent
on
    use of OpenSSL, you must follow the:

    "This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project
        for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit. (http://www.openssl.org/)"

    restriction, PLUS:

     "This product includes cryptographic software written by
    *     Eric Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED])"
    *    The word 'cryptographic' can be left out if the rouines from the
library
    *    being used are not cryptographic related :-).
    * 4. If you include any Windows specific code (or a derivative thereof)
from
    *    the apps directory (application code) you must include an
acknowledgement:
    *    "This product includes software written by Tim Hudson
([EMAIL PROTECTED])"

    those restrictions as well.

    Make sure your marketing people are informed, and make sure that your
    company lawyer impresses on your director of marketing the importance
    of following the license, regardless of their own opinions of how
"cluttered"
    these additions make a particular piece of advertising.

    It's a pretty easy set of instructions to follow in the license, IMHO.
The
    problem you run into is these stupid graphic artists that companies seem
    to employ who create a lot of marketing slicks, and care mostly about
    getting a particular "look" in the slick, and don't give a damn about
anything
    else.

    Ted
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      Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:46 PM
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      Subject: commercial OpenSSL use


      Hi!

      I'm making a commercial application for windows which uses libcurl.

      This build of libcurl I'm usings links to both zlib and openssl.

      I know libcurl and zlib themselves are fine for us to use commercially
but OpenSSL seemed a little more grey.

      It seems like it's ok to use OpenSSL commercially so long as this file
is included along with the application:

      http://www.openssl.org/source/license.html

      would that be correct?

      Thanks so much!
      Alan

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