In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:44:33 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
tedm> If the OpenSSL authors (you included) wanted to change the tedm> license you all would have done so, it's not like you don't have tedm> write access to the source and cannot change it. You could tedm> change it right now if you want. So don't pretend that the tedm> OpenSSL authors don't want the advert clause. If you all tedm> didn't, you would have changed it. And here, you pretend to know everything that's going on behind the scene. We (well, the OpenSSL core team, which is our legal body of sorts) have approached Eric on this subject, more than once. It is true that we could change the OpenSSL license, and by that, I mean the OpenSSL portion of the dual license found in the LICENSE file. However, the SSLeay portion would still stay the same, so the net effect of removing the advert clause from the OpenSSL portion would be to ask everyone to give Eric Young and sometimes Tim Hudson the credit for the work that is done on OpenSSL. I suspect that very few that have contributed would be OK with that. Therefore, removal of the advert clause from the OpenSSL license is only realistic if the advert clause in the SSLeay license is removed first. And we can't remove the advert clause from the SSLeay license without Eric's and Tim's consent, that would only lead to deep legal trouble. tedm> >Speaking only for myself, I would say that anyone has the right tedm> >to criticize! That's part of freedom of speach, and one that tedm> >is actually exercised every day in form of bug reports! tedm> tedm> Bug reports are not criticism. This is pure political tedm> correctness bullcrap. I disagree, obviously. But hey, that's just my opinion! tedm> A bug report is simply an observation of a FACT - which is a tedm> defect exists. FACTS are not criticisms. Ah, yeah, the strict interpretation of "bug report". I got mixed up, partly because we use the same tool for feature requests, wishes and so on. tedm> specifically the statement: tedm> tedm> "...part because the verb criticize, once neutral between praise tedm> and censure, is now mainly used in a negative sense..." Well, we all choose our own interpretation, don't we? tedm> >If we weren't open to critique, how the hell would we develop tedm> >to anything but pickers of our own navel fuzz? tedm> > tedm> tedm> This is a very clever statement since "critique" and "criticize" tedm> are regarded as having different meanings by most people. Actually, that was a linguistic mixup. I'm Swedish/French. I should have said "criticism". tedm> I was using the common meaning of the word, the negative sense, tedm> whihc I am sure you were aware of, and you are flip-flopping tedm> between the negative and the neutral sense of the word. You're right, I am using it in the neutral sense. But flip-flopping? Unless I misunderstand that term, it would mean that I would change my interpretation of critizism, right? I can't see that I've done so. [... about the Berne Convnetion, Article 6bis ...] tedm> In any case I think this section is rather dangerous since all tedm> satire can be construed as damaging the authors reputation, even tedm> when the point is to make a joke about it. You talk about tedm> stifling speech and criticisms, well this section is pretty much tedm> guarenteeing that. And that might be why copyright law usually includes explicit sections about fair use and satire. tedm> >They do. If you read their own pages on it, they have a list tedm> >of them, and will say for each of them if it is compatible with tedm> >the GPL or not. tedm> tedm> That isn't being accepting of other licenses. And by compatible tedm> they only mean "legal to replace their license with our own" tedm> they don't mean "a good and reasonable license that follows the tedm> idea of open source. Don't be ridiculous, noone can replace someone else's license without their explicit consent! Cheers, Richard ----- Please consider sponsoring my work on free software. See http://www.free.lp.se/sponsoring.html for details. -- Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://richard.levitte.org/ "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -- C.S. Lewis ______________________________________________________________________ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org User Support Mailing List openssl-users@openssl.org Automated List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]
