Crispin Wellington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >I am aware that RSA is expecting a rush of RSA pkc programmes >after Sept 
20th.

         Some, surely, to judge from the comments on this list over the 
past several years -- but I'll be surprised if any particular marketplace 
is radically transformed or created.

         I do think that there will continue to be major growth in the 
number of RSApkc-based applications next year and in subsequent years... 
after the various patent-phobic standards orgs double back to rewrite their 
various PKC standards, to reflect the choices being made by the installed 
base of crypto users.

         I assume that those rewritten standards will eventually require 
the liberated RSApkc -- in addition to D-H/DSS; or perhaps sometimes in 
place of D-H -- in products which seek to conform to those various standards

 >It is my $0.02 worth that if there is such a rush, there will >be little 
legal hope of upholding the expired patent, with so >many products entering 
public domain.

         This may be what my wife means when she says that just because we 
speak the same language, that doesn't mean we can understand each other. 
I'm confused.

         After the US RSApkc patent has expired, there is nothing to be 
"upheld." Period. The legal period of monopoly, within the US, granted by 
the patent is at an end.

         RSA will still own rights (copyright, TM) to the code its 
programmers have written over the years; and RSA will still own various 
types of IP on other ciphers that Ron Rivest has invented over the past 20 
years (except for MD4, MD5, and RC2, which RSA voluntarily gave over to 
public domain) -- but an expired RSApkc patent means that no RSApkc patent 
exists.

         Open season. All challengers are welcome.

         In that marketplace, to judge by current demand, I think RSA will 
fare pretty well... just as it does today in your country, Japan, and in 
much of the rest of the global market. (All that eay code from 
RSA-Australia, donchaknow;-)

         (Actually, RSA has always had a big business selling public domain 
ciphers -- DES and 3DES, at a hefty premium over many local alternative 
vendors -- to financial institutions in the US, Japan, much of Asia.)

 >It will be like trying to hold back a waterfall with a few >twigs.

         I'm really curious. What *are* you are trying to say?

 >And we'll all get rid of RSARef :)

         Now that I understand;-)

         Suerte,

              _Vin

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