Thanks Nicholaz for your hardwork. I used your viewer a lot to bypass issues I had then with the standard viewer. I think Linden Lab was soooo lucky to have had such a vibrant community in place. From my point of view, I see a slow erosion of veteran well known content creators and client developers. I think LL probably has a better view of things...may be there see things that we can't. The media is still interested in LL as an article to be published in the Wallstreet journal (in a couple of weeks or so) soon will prove. But I have concerns about the future. LL will survive not because of excellence but because of poor and fragmented competition. Btw I went into lurking mode because it was clear to me that only folks that submit patches were encouraged to speak. Many like myself have enough background to contribute patches...but I chose to focus on content creation (and my contribution so far has only been through virtual learning environment design). So back to lurking. R
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Marine Kelley <marinekel...@gmail.com>wrote: > This is a sad day. I remember the times when you were indeed the most > prolific contributor, when your own third-party viewer was the toast of SL, > and the SL viewer has benefited greatly from your work. I think everyone can > thank you for that (and everyone has !). > > And I'd like to thank you for helping me get started on my project back in > the days. > > Best of luck for whatever next project you will work on, > Marine > > > > On 3 April 2010 15:51, Nicholaz Beresford <nicho...@blueflash.cc> wrote: > >> >> Hi All! >> >> Since the TPV and new TOS seems to be in effect now, I'd like to finally >> comment on it too. >> >> For those of you who don't know me, I'm the person who started the first >> thrird party viewer (in fact I made the original Wiki page >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Alternate_viewers&redirect=no >> ) >> and as it appears I'm still the person with the most accepted patches to >> the viewer (except maybe SnowGlobe commits, I'm not sure if or how they >> are counted) and the winner of the year 2007 Linden OpenSource Award. >> >> I have not made viewers in quite some time and have basically resigned >> over gripes about how the Lindens handle open source and the OS >> community in general, so I'm not sure if my words still have any weight >> (not that any resident's words have any weight with the Lindens, except >> Stroker Serpentine's maybe, when they are voiced through a lawyer or >> court). So just take my words as coming from the elder statesman >> armchair. >> >> However, I still had my account and a couple of alts, but this new >> TOS/TPV, now that's it's out of the box about to be in effect soon, puts >> the final nail into the coffin. >> >> I'm not going to try to dissect what's written there or what the >> practical legal impact is. Living in Germany with strong customer >> protection laws, legal impact in fact is most likely zilch, but what the >> TOS and the TPV does, is to show the Linden's view of their relationship >> beween themselves and their residents and OS developers. >> >> While it's not a secret that I have been less than thrilled by their >> views and actions in the past, I find the TPV taking it to a new level. >> >> It is their servers, their assets, their business. But trying to use >> their power in a way like this, dictating the terms, making far reaching >> demands and lightly brushing off concerns is unacceptable. >> >> Of course a viewer maker needs comply with the law, no TOS is needed for >> that. But making demands like the branding (as if the word "Life" was >> their invention) or demanding disclosure like section 8d which goes far >> beyond any legal obligations is just way over the top for me. >> >> I took their sources based on GPL once and at that time alternate >> viewers seemed to be welcome and later I even jumped through a few hoops >> to meet their new whims (e.g. complying with their trademark policies). >> In the recent past, I have still used SL on occasion as a regular user >> and now, trying to use SL as a user, I'm finding myself being presented >> with new demands because my past viewers are still out there for download. >> >> Am I going to agree to that? No frigging way. I certainly do not want >> to have any relationship with a company who is trying to use their >> position of power in a way like that, no matter if it's legally valid or >> not. The new TOS/TPV defines who LL thinks they are and who they think >> their users are and what kinds of demands and claims LL thinks they can >> make or what they think is acceptable and fair. >> >> I can only recommend to every viewer maker and contributor to have a >> look at this broader picture and evaluate if their contributions in time >> and efforts are worthwhile. Mine where fun when LL was a different >> company, but there I no way I would have made contributions under the >> current terms. In fact I won't even log in again under the new terms >> and have canceled my accounts today. >> >> >> Nicholaz. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> privileges >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > -- 'Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin.' Rameshsharma Ramloll PhD Research Assistant Professor Idaho State University, PocatelloTel: 208-282-5333 More info at http://tr.im/RRamloll
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