Linden or not, your feedback is appreciated. Jonathan Irvin
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 08:52, JB Hancroft <jbhancr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry to disappoint you, Aleric... I am not a Linden... just me :) > > I run a software and consulting business in the virtual world/virtual space > market, that > is focused primarily (95% +/-) on SL, at the moment. That number is likely > to decrease > over time, as more and more viable alternatives for my customers come > online. > > - JB > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Aleric Inglewood < > aleric.inglew...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Clearly, no open source developer can accept the possibility to be held >> liable for their help, by supplying patches. >> >> Therefore, we CANNOT agree with the TPV policy unless we understand >> its implications, as explained by a real lawyer, preferably one of Linden >> Lab, >> where it is made clear that developers are not liable for 1) bugs, 2) what >> others >> do with their source code, aka the general idea of the GPL. >> >> Until that has been established, officially, I do NOT agree with the TPV >> policy. >> DISCLAIMER: >> When I got the pop-up that asked me to agree I made a point of it to NOT >> accept it, but spend first an hour to write a patch that made it possible >> for >> me to click on 'cancel' and still login. I then removed that patch again >> (and >> can still log in). Since the TOS/TPVp isn't effective as of 30 April, this >> is >> not an illegal thing to do. If I do not get another pop-up at 30 April >> (and I >> predict I won't), then I will still not have agreed to the TPV policy. >> >> Nevertheless, this is a very undesirable situation of course. So, indeed >> as JB Hancroft says (who sounds like a Linden with a gmail account :p ), >> it's better to leave completely. Leave SL, and obviously also stop helping >> to improve the viewer code. Unfortunately, if it would only be me it will >> have >> no effect and will be useless: I would only harm myself because I like >> using SL and I like working on snowglobe AND we know that Linden Lab >> *really* only wants something that we (and I) CAN agree with. It's just >> that they didn't restrict themselves to the real goal of the TPVp. This >> whole conflict is utterly unnecessary! >> >> Hence, leaving without that that would result in Linden Lab fixing this >> situation and changing the TPVp (or have an official lawyer statement >> that we can understand and agree with) would be too ridiculous for >> words. >> >> However, I *am* prepared to do this if I'm not the only one. >> >> I have not seen the real contributors, Robin, Boroondas, Dzonatas, >> Techwolf, Thickbrick (the *currently* most active ones that I know from >> IRC / my timezone) say much on this topic. But it's your collective >> feeling (and action) that will count here. >> >> Who of the active contributors (speak up if I missed you) are willing to >> make a stand and stop at least developing for snowglobe, unless we >> get a clear, understandable and official explanation what kind of legal >> liability TPV devs are facing? Don't you think we owe that to the other >> open developers that do not work on snowglobe, but on some TPV? >> >> PS LL, please don't tell me this should be posted on this list. >> because it "calls for ... something you don't like. I'd rather use >> this list and discuss it in the open, with everyone involved, >> than approach all the devs off-list. Or set up a new mailinglist >> without >> Lindens on it. Seems really the right thing to do. >> >> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:41 PM, JB Hancroft <jbhancr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Here are my thoughts: >>> >>> 1) If you're not an attorney, please do the rest of us a favor by not >>> acting like one. >>> The TPVP is a legal document, and while we all have opinions, >>> opinions >>> that are based on something other than legal understanding and >>> experience >>> are more likely to contribute to the body of urban legend, than >>> clarify and inform. >>> The law is the law, and whether we like it or not, my understanding >>> is that >>> applying rationale to it's interpretation is a fool's errand. >>> >>> 2) If you've got a 3rd-party viewer, and the TPVP is an issue for you, >>> then this isn't >>> the forum in which to resolve it. Take it to Linden Lab via the >>> legal >>> system, with your legal counsel involved. >>> >>> 3) Second Life is a business; it's not "our" social cause. If you don't >>> like the way >>> things are, you certainly have a right to bitch and complain and >>> lobby for change. >>> But at some point, you're just going to annoy people. Linden Lab >>> employees >>> have already noted the "noise-to-signal ratio" they've observed in >>> the process of >>> extracting what they consider to be valid input and feedback. >>> >>> 4) If you want to argue as a hobby, please... enjoy. I'm asking that you >>> please do it >>> somewhere else. If you truly believe the situation with the TPVP is >>> all evil and >>> bad and not workable, then please "leave". If you don't like the >>> game, don't play. >>> >>> Yes, there are many ways in which what I've written here can be argued >>> and dissected >>> and found lacking. Please... don't bother; spend your time in a more >>> productive way. >>> >>> - JB >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >>> privileges >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> privileges >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges >
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