On 31.07.2007 04:34, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:11 -0700, Edward McAuley wrote:
>> Uh, let's see.  Beautiful interface (as attractive as the Mac or Vista), 
>>intuitively laid out, ease of use, UNIX (like), open source...it's
already here.
>>
>> You can download it or buy it.

>> Suse 10.2

There's a difference between the versions (see
http://drwetter.org/blog/rpms.Suse-10.2.internet-boxed.diff.html)

>> Please look at this latest version, it is stunning.  The beautifully 
>> designed and intuitive layout 
>of its desktop is very difficult to communicate until you spin it up and
use it for a while.

Unless you're referring to the admin tool yast2 -- which will change in
10.3 and has already in SLES10 SP1 -- that's a matter of the GUI,
Gnome or KDE. KDE is because of historical reasons better integrated in the
Suse Desktop.

 > I've used SuSE 10.2 - if you're happy to avoid the bugs that you can fly
> a 747 through. Beta quality compilers, drivers and libraries. Crappy
> KDE/OpenOffice.org integration (specifically kslaves/openoffice.org) -
> its horrific - "ship first, hide bugs hopeing they won't get found".

Sorry, but your report lacks substance. I've reviewed Suse since an
eternity (http://drwetter.org/blog/opensuse-10.2_criticism.html,
http://drwetter.org/suse10.1/report.suse-10.1.html, printed versions
until Suse 8.X) and I am using it almost on a daily basis. I can't see the
problems you're referring to. The thing which is real crap in 10.2 is ZMD
which will disappear in 10.3 .

I would just try to be fair, there are on the Solaris desktop side a lot of
things -- just read this thread -- which could need an improvement. It
doesn't help OpenSolaris in any way if you b*tch about a competitor.

Linux distributors like Suse and Fedora use their community distributions
with a release cycle of every six months for a broad test of their new
features which eventually find their way into either the kernel or other
applications, but certainly into their commercial counterparts. Sun will
do the very same. Sometimes things break if you're choose a six months
cycle where basically every packet is changing. Debian, Ubuntu LTS have a
different approach, so does commerical Solaris.

> Lord knows I don't want to see Solaris turn into a dumping site for bad
> code.

You mean really Solaris?

In any case: Suse, Indiana, *BSD, any community distribution with
whatsoever-flavor you always can file bug reports or resolve problems by
yourself and commit those changes back. You have the code.


Cheers,
        Dirk




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