Alan DuBoff wrote:
In a sense we do have a version today...it's the date on which the sources are pulled...:-/
This laze-fair attitude bothers me a bit - it seems as if we have lost touch with some guiding principles (if we ever had a common set to begin with...) To that end, I wanted to say a few words about intent, releases and consolidations. We (Sun) have tried to consistently tell our consumers (ISVs, developers, etc) when things change, and how much they changed. At a high level, we (actually the Product and Consolidation teams) say things like This is a patch - it fixes bugs that you may have run into in your copy of Solaris9. You should be confident that when you install it, it will fix this bug and it won't break any other existing functionality. or Here is an update release for Solaris - It has new features, but is really just an updated version of Solaris9. or Here is new release of Solaris - it is Solaris10, a minor release of our Solaris product. It is upwardly compatible with Solaris9 for things we marked as Stable/Committed, except for [this list] of things that we EOL'd. It has a bunch of bugfixes and new features, and your applications should continue to run, except for things that depended on experimental interfaces that may need to be retooled. or even Hey, wasn't SunOS 4.1 wonderful? Well, we did this deal with a small company called AT&T, and decided to merge our BSD-based SunOS with their USG-based Unix to create a major new operating system called SystemV[1] This Solaris2 is really different - it uses this new "X window" thing instead of SunView or NeWS, the ps command will confuse you, and you will need to rewrite many of your existing applications. Good Luck! ____ [1] Our Marketing people want to call it Solaris, and they want to backdate a few product names, so don't be confused when they start calling SunOS "Solaris 1" instead...) How do we know what to say? We work back in time, asking ourselves "what kinds of things were changed" in those releases. Except that we try not to put ourselves in the position of not knowing these kinds of answers beforehand, so we actually start the development efforts for each of the above "releases" with an intent to produce that specific kind of release. The first two (patches and updates) were produced by forking the Solaris development gate off into a Patch (or Micro) gate - where only changes appropriate for a micro release were allowed to integrate into it. Same for the Solaris marketing release - except that its gate allowed things targeted at a minor release. Even the SunOS->Solaris fork followed this proactive intent, except that its bar was an even lower major release. This pops up in ARC reviews - if you have an interface with Stability "X", and you are proposing to make an incompatible change to it, we can use the secret decoder ring[2] to tell us that this change would be allowable in one or more of the above release types. Because we do this, we can turn around and say "it is a [xxx] release because [this explicit list of things] has changed incompatibly. Much better for developers and ISVs than the alternative "it is a [xxx] release because I woke up this morning and decided to flex my mojo and release something". The principle here is proactive intent - what do we /wish/ to produce? Back to your mojo comment - right now, the ON consolidation is coasting along on the remnants of a minor release charter. The assumption is that we want more flexability than a micro release would allow, but we are unwilling to usher in the chaos and disruption that a free-for-all major release would attract. -John ____ [2] OK, not too secret. Each stability level in the interface taxonomy (http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/interface-taxonomy/) indicates what kind of release it can be changed in: Committed: major Uncommitted: minor Volatile: micro ...etc... _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org