On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Tanu Kaskinen < tanu.kaski...@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 07:56 -0700, Christopher Larson wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Tanu Kaskinen > > <tanu.kaski...@linux.intel.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-07-13 at 09:22 -0700, Christopher Larson wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Pau Espin Pedrol > > > <pespin.s...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > So, pulseaudio is intended to be used as a systemd > > user > > > service, not > > > as a systemd system service, and that means it needs > > to end up > > > in > > > /usr/lib/systemd/user and not > > in /lib/systemd/system/. > > > > > > All these changes are part of my efforts to improve > > systemd > > > user > > > service support in OE, which is kind of bad nowadays > > imho. > > > > > > Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. Given that > > systemd user > > > services require pam, and most embedded distros disable pam, > > I wonder > > > if we shouldn’t have an option, at least for daemons in > > recipes that > > > can handle it, to switch from user to system via a > > PACKAGECONFIG, and > > > possibly default that for the non-pam case.. Hmm. > > > > Do you mean that there are many distros that have systemd but > > don't have > > pam, and that the lack of pam strongly suggests that the > > system won't > > have any regular users? If so, then your proposal sounds good. > > > > No, I mean that systemd user services require pam, as far as I know, > > because it’s a systemd pam plugin which actually starts and stops the > > user services. Without that hook, they won’t be run at all. > > OK, then it's less clear that services should be run in system mode by > default when pam isn't present. If the lack of pam doesn't imply lack of > regular users, at least pulseaudio should still run as a user service by > default (but not started by systemd if pam isn't enabled). Running it as a user service by default when it’ll not actually ever be run, lacking a mechanism to run it, seems pretty pointless to me. If someone installs pulseaudio, presumably they want it to actually run. -- Christopher Larson clarson at kergoth dot com Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus Maintainer - Tslib Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics
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