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Re: Sustain the Momentum: Propose Offline Wiki Topics for Wikimania > 2025 ! > (Tim Moody) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:10:39 +0100 > From: Stephane Coillet-Matillon <steph...@kiwix.org> > Subject: [Offline-l] Re: Sustain the Momentum: Propose Offline Wiki > Topics for Wikimania 2025 ! > To: Using Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki offline > <offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> > Message-ID: <4594a1d9-b536-4ebc-921d-887354c82...@kiwix.org> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Apple-Mail=_74CE5ECE-CFE7-4F97-961B-DAEB302368A5" > > Ok, then how about we propose a panel on Offline access in 2025? I see > there’s a panel format (not sure how it differs from the roundtable, except > it’s 15’ longer): it could be a show-and-tell, presenting how we went from > older projects like WP1/Wikislices to now, and present new things coming to > a connectivity desert near you. > > @SJ: offline collaborative editing could be a presentation of Wikifundi > from Florence, but there were also some discussion with NASA a couple of > years back with the Wikimedians for Space Wikis (or something like that, > apologies to Seddon, Cindy and David if they reads this). > > Who’s in? James/Tim? Andrew? Florence? Anyone else? > > > > On 27 Mar 2025, at 21:27, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I love this :) A good contxt to spin back up some of the > mesh/low-bandwidth snippet ideas that we worked on for OLPC. > > > > * I'm reminded of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikislice > > * The topic that we need to add which seems missing so far is offline > collaborative editing. Have any of you been working on this lately? It's > not a very good pony express if you can read books and articles but only > share short telegrams. I could submit something about this. > > * This might be a good reason to get a Wikipedia 1.0 snapshot out, and > address ways to replicate that across languages. > > * Language: This might be a good excuse to upgrade Wiktionary to a > multilingual lexemes-based project, showing a mix of translations from > editors / models. > > * Language: this might also be a good excuse to include a multilingual > interface to Wikispecies * Library: we should work with OpenLibrary to > build a similarly tiered canon of open books, might be a good Wikisource > project [most OL works aren't on WS, conversely there's no mechanism for > making translations within OL] > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 7:15 AM Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com > <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Thanks Stephane, how about I form a proposal in the Etherpad, and we > can double check to make sure it works for everyone. I could submit, but it > may be better for someone else to do so since I will be a co-submitter of > at least three other submissions, so reviewers may get sick of me.:) > >> > >> I was watching the Youtube WikiAfrica hour episode, and I really like > your points about not being satisfied just serving up the same > high-bandwidth content offline. > >> Wiktionary is indeed an under-appreciated project that could have > massive utility over low-bandwidth links like Meshtastic. The slower link > speed also gets us to think about innovative ways to serve up knowledge in > new forms and not just full Wikipedia articles. What knowledge formats > should we consider when the links are 1 kbps – AI chat? AI summaries, or > something else? I think it would be fascinating to assemble groups from the > region, including the local UNHCR folks who I've worked with in the past, > to brainstorm various uses. > >> > >> -Andrew > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:01 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < > steph...@kiwix.org <mailto:steph...@kiwix.org>> wrote: > >>> Ok let’s pitch a Show-and-Tell where we can showcase different offline > techs (IIAB, KH, Wikifundi, Cyberpony, etc.) in meatspace. > >>> > >>> Andrew, can you take care of the placeholder submission? I think you > can add folks to the proposal so we can edit/correct stuff if need be. > >>> > >>> Ninja edit: was about to hit « send » when I saw you email Andrew. > thanks! > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 27 Mar 2025, at 14:17, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com <mailto: > andrew....@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Great to hear that the Wikimania organizers are encouraging more of > this, especially since there may be great applications for the region. > >>>> > >>>> If that is the case, perhaps we could submit something related to > LoRa/Meshtastic now, get it in the system, and then combine or figure out > how we do a session on it. > >>>> > >>>> Some ideas: > >>>> 1. A group of folks are running the "Cyberpony Express" project in > conjunction with the Burning Man organizers, on how to create an offline > BBS and Wikipedia system using LoRa/Meshtastic in the desert (or in a > survival scenario), and are already using IIAB. They might be interested in > collaborating on something. See: > >>>> > https://highdesertinstitute.org/2025/03/19/initial-cyberpony-express-workshop-recap-and-next-steps/ > >>>> > >>>> 2. There don't seem to be any active Kenya groups (that I can see) > using LoRa/Meshtastic, so Wikimania could be a great training ground for > testing some services. Usually amateur/Ham radio groups are a good conduit > for getting folks interested in Meshtastic, so we might want to reach out > to them, or universities doing similar things. > >>>> > >>>> 3. We could experiment with setting up a Meshtastic network just for > Wikimania, so people can try it out themselves. Access devices are as low > as $30-40 USD. > >>>> > >>>> -Andrew > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 4:59 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < > steph...@kiwix.org <mailto:steph...@kiwix.org>> wrote: > >>>>> Well folks from the organizing committee told me offline access > would be front and center this year so there’s definitely room for more > offline sessions! > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 26 Mar 2025, at 22:35, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com > <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Hi all, while I'm not sure there is room for a third session about > offline Wikipedia, there might be some interesting things to do during the > Hackathon. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Specifically, there is a lot more attention to "offline friendly" > technologies like LoRa/Meshtastic, an inexpensive, long range wireless > peer/mesh system of radios to communicate with text messaging at low > bandwidth (1 kbps). This might be an interesting opportunity to see what > types of offline Wikipedia services might be practical using these types of > inexpensive devices. The good news is that LoRa uses unlicensed ISM bands > depending on the locale, and does not requiring a license or any > subscription fees. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > There are "international" devices that can use wireless spectrum > appropriate for different countries, so this might be a good time to > experiment or showcase these types of applications. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Sample device: > >>>>> > > https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Example BBS/service on LoRa: > >>>>> > https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -Andrew > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: > offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to > offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: > offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: > offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> -Andrew Lih > >>>> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large > >>>> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist > >>>> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > University, Columbia University, University of Southern California > >>>> --- > >>>> Email: andrew....@gmail.com <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>, > and...@andrewlih.com <mailto:and...@andrewlih.com> > >>>> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado > >>>> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: > offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: > offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -Andrew Lih > >> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large > >> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist > >> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > University, Columbia University, University of Southern California > >> --- > >> Email: andrew....@gmail.com <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>, > and...@andrewlih.com <mailto:and...@andrewlih.com> > >> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado > >> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: > offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > >> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > > > > > -- > > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 > 4266 > > _______________________________________________ > > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 12856 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 10:55:32 -0400 > From: Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> > Subject: [Offline-l] Re: Sustain the Momentum: Propose Offline Wiki > Topics for Wikimania 2025 ! > To: Stephane Coillet-Matillon <steph...@kiwix.org> > Cc: Using Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki offline > <offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CANis2dAY9kRtTCEiQ5RogHOc27ibAHjDTwfnqmoM0+=ZAf5= > w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="000000000000b942900631684399" > > Happy to participate if it makes sense. At the moment it feels like more > than one panel. But I am interested in the offline to online connection and > am involved in a project related to this. > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 10:10 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < > steph...@kiwix.org> wrote: > > > Ok, then how about we propose a panel on Offline access in 2025? I see > > there’s a panel format (not sure how it differs from the roundtable, > except > > it’s 15’ longer): it could be a show-and-tell, presenting how we went > from > > older projects like WP1/Wikislices to now, and present new things coming > to > > a connectivity desert near you. > > > > @SJ: offline collaborative editing could be a presentation of Wikifundi > > from Florence, but there were also some discussion with NASA a couple of > > years back with the Wikimedians for Space Wikis (or something like that, > > apologies to Seddon, Cindy and David if they reads this). > > > > Who’s in? James/Tim? Andrew? Florence? Anyone else? > > > > > > On 27 Mar 2025, at 21:27, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I love this :) A good contxt to spin back up some of the > > mesh/low-bandwidth snippet ideas that we worked on for OLPC. > > > > * I'm reminded of > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikislice > > * The topic that we need to add which seems missing so far is *offline > > collaborative editing*. Have any of you been working on this lately? > > It's not a very good pony express if you can read books and articles but > > only share short telegrams. I could submit something about this. > > * This might be a good reason to get a Wikipedia 1.0 snapshot out, and > > address ways to replicate that across languages. > > * Language: This might be a good excuse to upgrade Wiktionary to a > > multilingual lexemes-based project, showing a mix of translations from > > editors / models. > > * Language: this might also be a good excuse to include a multilingual > > interface to Wikispecies * Library: we should work with OpenLibrary to > > build a similarly tiered canon of open books, might be a good Wikisource > > project [most OL works aren't on WS, conversely there's no mechanism for > > making translations within OL] > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 7:15 AM Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Thanks Stephane, how about I form a proposal in the Etherpad, and we can > >> double check to make sure it works for everyone. I could submit, but it > may > >> be better for someone else to do so since I will be a co-submitter of at > >> least three other submissions, so reviewers may get sick of me.:) > >> > >> I was watching the Youtube WikiAfrica hour episode, and I really like > >> your points about not being satisfied just serving up the same > >> high-bandwidth content offline. > >> Wiktionary is indeed an under-appreciated project that could have > massive > >> utility over low-bandwidth links like Meshtastic. The slower link speed > >> also gets us to think about innovative ways to serve up knowledge in new > >> forms and not just full Wikipedia articles. What knowledge formats > should > >> we consider when the links are 1 kbps – AI chat? AI summaries, or > something > >> else? I think it would be fascinating to assemble groups from the > region, > >> including the local UNHCR folks who I've worked with in the past, to > >> brainstorm various uses. > >> > >> -Andrew > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:01 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < > >> steph...@kiwix.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok let’s pitch a Show-and-Tell where we can showcase different offline > >>> techs (IIAB, KH, Wikifundi, Cyberpony, etc.) in meatspace. > >>> > >>> Andrew, can you take care of the placeholder submission? I think you > can > >>> add folks to the proposal so we can edit/correct stuff if need be. > >>> > >>> Ninja edit: was about to hit « send » when I saw you email Andrew. > >>> thanks! > >>> > >>> > >>> On 27 Mar 2025, at 14:17, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Great to hear that the Wikimania organizers are encouraging more of > >>> this, especially since there may be great applications for the region. > >>> > >>> If that is the case, perhaps we could submit something related to > >>> LoRa/Meshtastic now, get it in the system, and then combine or figure > out > >>> how we do a session on it. > >>> > >>> Some ideas: > >>> 1. A group of folks are running the "Cyberpony Express" project in > >>> conjunction with the Burning Man organizers, on how to create an > offline > >>> BBS and Wikipedia system using LoRa/Meshtastic in the desert (or in a > >>> survival scenario), and are already using IIAB. They might be > interested in > >>> collaborating on something. See: > >>> > >>> > https://highdesertinstitute.org/2025/03/19/initial-cyberpony-express-workshop-recap-and-next-steps/ > >>> > >>> 2. There don't seem to be any active Kenya groups (that I can see) > using > >>> LoRa/Meshtastic, so Wikimania could be a great training ground for > testing > >>> some services. Usually amateur/Ham radio groups are a good conduit for > >>> getting folks interested in Meshtastic, so we might want to reach out > to > >>> them, or universities doing similar things. > >>> > >>> 3. We could experiment with setting up a Meshtastic network just for > >>> Wikimania, so people can try it out themselves. Access devices are as > low > >>> as $30-40 USD. > >>> > >>> -Andrew > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 4:59 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < > >>> steph...@kiwix.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well folks from the organizing committee told me offline access would > >>>> be front and center this year so there’s definitely room for more > offline > >>>> sessions! > >>>> > >>>> > On 26 Mar 2025, at 22:35, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Hi all, while I'm not sure there is room for a third session about > >>>> offline Wikipedia, there might be some interesting things to do > during the > >>>> Hackathon. > >>>> > > >>>> > Specifically, there is a lot more attention to "offline friendly" > >>>> technologies like LoRa/Meshtastic, an inexpensive, long range wireless > >>>> peer/mesh system of radios to communicate with text messaging at low > >>>> bandwidth (1 kbps). This might be an interesting opportunity to see > what > >>>> types of offline Wikipedia services might be practical using these > types of > >>>> inexpensive devices. The good news is that LoRa uses unlicensed ISM > bands > >>>> depending on the locale, and does not requiring a license or any > >>>> subscription fees. > >>>> > > >>>> > There are "international" devices that can use wireless spectrum > >>>> appropriate for different countries, so this might be a good time to > >>>> experiment or showcase these types of applications. > >>>> > > >>>> > Sample device: > >>>> > > >>>> > https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html > >>>> > > >>>> > Example BBS/service on LoRa: > >>>> > https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh > >>>> > > >>>> > -Andrew > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -Andrew Lih > >>> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large > >>> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist > >>> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > >>> University, Columbia University, University of Southern California > >>> --- > >>> Email: andrew....@gmail.com, and...@andrewlih.com > >>> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado > >>> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -Andrew Lih > >> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large > >> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist > >> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > >> University, Columbia University, University of Southern California > >> --- > >> Email: andrew....@gmail.com, and...@andrewlih.com > >> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado > >> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > > > > > > -- > > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 > 4266 > > _______________________________________________ > > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 13324 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Offline-l Digest, Vol 143, Issue 5 > ***************************************** >
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