Ok, then how about we propose a panel on Offline access in 2025? I see there’s a panel format (not sure how it differs from the roundtable, except it’s 15’ longer): it could be a show-and-tell, presenting how we went from older projects like WP1/Wikislices to now, and present new things coming to a connectivity desert near you.
@SJ: offline collaborative editing could be a presentation of Wikifundi from Florence, but there were also some discussion with NASA a couple of years back with the Wikimedians for Space Wikis (or something like that, apologies to Seddon, Cindy and David if they reads this). Who’s in? James/Tim? Andrew? Florence? Anyone else? > On 27 Mar 2025, at 21:27, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I love this :) A good contxt to spin back up some of the mesh/low-bandwidth > snippet ideas that we worked on for OLPC. > > * I'm reminded of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikislice > * The topic that we need to add which seems missing so far is offline > collaborative editing. Have any of you been working on this lately? It's > not a very good pony express if you can read books and articles but only > share short telegrams. I could submit something about this. > * This might be a good reason to get a Wikipedia 1.0 snapshot out, and > address ways to replicate that across languages. > * Language: This might be a good excuse to upgrade Wiktionary to a > multilingual lexemes-based project, showing a mix of translations from > editors / models. > * Language: this might also be a good excuse to include a multilingual > interface to Wikispecies * Library: we should work with OpenLibrary to build > a similarly tiered canon of open books, might be a good Wikisource project > [most OL works aren't on WS, conversely there's no mechanism for making > translations within OL] > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 7:15 AM Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com > <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thanks Stephane, how about I form a proposal in the Etherpad, and we can >> double check to make sure it works for everyone. I could submit, but it may >> be better for someone else to do so since I will be a co-submitter of at >> least three other submissions, so reviewers may get sick of me.:) >> >> I was watching the Youtube WikiAfrica hour episode, and I really like your >> points about not being satisfied just serving up the same high-bandwidth >> content offline. >> Wiktionary is indeed an under-appreciated project that could have massive >> utility over low-bandwidth links like Meshtastic. The slower link speed also >> gets us to think about innovative ways to serve up knowledge in new forms >> and not just full Wikipedia articles. What knowledge formats should we >> consider when the links are 1 kbps – AI chat? AI summaries, or something >> else? I think it would be fascinating to assemble groups from the region, >> including the local UNHCR folks who I've worked with in the past, to >> brainstorm various uses. >> >> -Andrew >> >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:01 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon >> <steph...@kiwix.org <mailto:steph...@kiwix.org>> wrote: >>> Ok let’s pitch a Show-and-Tell where we can showcase different offline >>> techs (IIAB, KH, Wikifundi, Cyberpony, etc.) in meatspace. >>> >>> Andrew, can you take care of the placeholder submission? I think you can >>> add folks to the proposal so we can edit/correct stuff if need be. >>> >>> Ninja edit: was about to hit « send » when I saw you email Andrew. thanks! >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Mar 2025, at 14:17, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Great to hear that the Wikimania organizers are encouraging more of this, >>>> especially since there may be great applications for the region. >>>> >>>> If that is the case, perhaps we could submit something related to >>>> LoRa/Meshtastic now, get it in the system, and then combine or figure out >>>> how we do a session on it. >>>> >>>> Some ideas: >>>> 1. A group of folks are running the "Cyberpony Express" project in >>>> conjunction with the Burning Man organizers, on how to create an offline >>>> BBS and Wikipedia system using LoRa/Meshtastic in the desert (or in a >>>> survival scenario), and are already using IIAB. They might be interested >>>> in collaborating on something. See: >>>> https://highdesertinstitute.org/2025/03/19/initial-cyberpony-express-workshop-recap-and-next-steps/ >>>> >>>> 2. There don't seem to be any active Kenya groups (that I can see) using >>>> LoRa/Meshtastic, so Wikimania could be a great training ground for testing >>>> some services. Usually amateur/Ham radio groups are a good conduit for >>>> getting folks interested in Meshtastic, so we might want to reach out to >>>> them, or universities doing similar things. >>>> >>>> 3. We could experiment with setting up a Meshtastic network just for >>>> Wikimania, so people can try it out themselves. Access devices are as low >>>> as $30-40 USD. >>>> >>>> -Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 4:59 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon >>>> <steph...@kiwix.org <mailto:steph...@kiwix.org>> wrote: >>>>> Well folks from the organizing committee told me offline access would be >>>>> front and center this year so there’s definitely room for more offline >>>>> sessions! >>>>> >>>>> > On 26 Mar 2025, at 22:35, Andrew Lih <andrew....@gmail.com >>>>> > <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi all, while I'm not sure there is room for a third session about >>>>> > offline Wikipedia, there might be some interesting things to do during >>>>> > the Hackathon. >>>>> > >>>>> > Specifically, there is a lot more attention to "offline friendly" >>>>> > technologies like LoRa/Meshtastic, an inexpensive, long range wireless >>>>> > peer/mesh system of radios to communicate with text messaging at low >>>>> > bandwidth (1 kbps). This might be an interesting opportunity to see >>>>> > what types of offline Wikipedia services might be practical using these >>>>> > types of inexpensive devices. The good news is that LoRa uses >>>>> > unlicensed ISM bands depending on the locale, and does not requiring a >>>>> > license or any subscription fees. >>>>> > >>>>> > There are "international" devices that can use wireless spectrum >>>>> > appropriate for different countries, so this might be a good time to >>>>> > experiment or showcase these types of applications. >>>>> > >>>>> > Sample device: >>>>> > https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html >>>>> > >>>>> > Example BBS/service on LoRa: >>>>> > https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh >>>>> > >>>>> > -Andrew >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> > <mailto:offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> > <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> <mailto:offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Andrew Lih >>>> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large >>>> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist >>>> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American >>>> University, Columbia University, University of Southern California >>>> --- >>>> Email: andrew....@gmail.com <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>, >>>> and...@andrewlih.com <mailto:and...@andrewlih.com> >>>> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado >>>> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> <mailto:offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> <mailto:offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> >> >> >> -- >> -Andrew Lih >> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large >> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist >> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American University, >> Columbia University, University of Southern California >> --- >> Email: andrew....@gmail.com <mailto:andrew....@gmail.com>, >> and...@andrewlih.com <mailto:and...@andrewlih.com> >> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado >> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > -- > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 > _______________________________________________ > Offline-l mailing list -- offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to offline-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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