Orang yang sudah memiliki capital sebesar livermore ( pada waktu blm
bangkrut ), emang sering 'berjudi' dan berusaha melawan pasar, karena
keuntungan terbesar emang dari situ, bayangin "direct the trend"
instead of "follow the trend", itu sih sah-sah aja. Hanya karena dia
mengikuti metode-nya sendiri, belum tentu hasilnya akan bagus. Kayak
di real business aja, seulung-ulungnya berbisnis, kdg ada jatuhnya
juga,...
Karena itu, seperti iklan asuransi "Let your ship sank, but not your
business"...
rgds
On 10/31/06, graham_dodd_value <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> betul mbah, kita2 yg muda ini kudu konsisten dan disiplin dalam
> berinvestasi,... seperti mr livermore itu, yg ditolak bucketshops pada
> waktu umurnya 15, (bucketshop itu places where people would enter
> trades, but no actual trades were executed; dengan kata lain mirip
> penjudi yg bertarung melawan bandar/rumah judi)...
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> mengenai trik dan strategi investasi livermore biar dijelaskan nanti
> oleh Mbah pada episod2 berikutnya, saya cuman mo highlight apa yg
> sering terjadi pada investor/trader baik yg udah pengalaman/blon, yg
> juga terjadi sama si livermore, and it lead to tragedy,... that can
> remind us again as how its very2 important of being objective (and its
> as hard as hell) and not impilsive when in positions...
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> and that is, as were mentione by embah, is violate your own rule :
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> first violate : tahun1908(satu tahun setelah berhasil dapet $3juta pd
> crash 1907), he lost 90% of his money because he violate his own key
> rules dengan memakai advice orang laen, and keep adding to the
> position which is shortin in the flat market (he usually prefers to
> work alone and do own research)
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> after declared bankcruptcy yet he managed to strike back in 1929,
> similarly as he does in 1907, ngeliat pola yg mirip dari crash 1907,
> dy ambil posisi short terus-menerus, pd bull market,... and yes its
> the legendary wallstreet crash of 1929 led by world war...
> he made his worth 100$ million short sale profits at the time...
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> point : he gets 1000 dollar in bucket house by trading accordingly to
> his rule, and then enter the real market violating his own rule,
> bankrupt and smally revived by implementing his own 10% trend and
> goleden rule, and then 1907, he keep adding to short position, when he
> notice the trend was uptrend but there's a lack of buy will to the
> market (he violate again), this time it was a success,... later on, he
> shortin again, violate his own rule,... it was no success,... then its
> 1929 stock market crash, and he made a short position lot earlier when
> its a bull market was there (he violate again)...
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> morale : either way u see it, violate your own structure, and being a
> persistent market fighter led by impulse, can lead you to two outcome,
> total profit, or bankruptcy... but were you ready to risk all your own
> life saving to one hefty decision that makes you lost all that you've
> got?? and if that happen you still have own confidence to regain and
> remain consistent to your belief??
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> well... livermore was a trader, greatest trader perhaps, that
> distincts him as being an investor... which is, nanti mungkin akan
> diceritakan oleh mbah final outcome of his history after the 1929
> crash, his 1934 lost di chicago exchange that remain mysterious till
> now.. and that lead to tragedy of his life later...
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> many to learns from one's up and downs,...
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> but for me,... its just that its good enough to get a hard cash from
> nothing, and then knows when to stop and secure yourself....
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> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Embah tuliskan lagi lanjutannya MUMPUNG bursa lagi ANTENG:
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> > Pernah denger tentang TEN COMMANDMENT yaitu 10 perintah ALLAH ?.
> > Embah rasa semua TAU...
> >
> > JM punya rule yang mirip buat dibursa, embah sebut: 10% COMMANDMENT.
> >
> > Begini ceritanya:
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> > Keahlian trading JL sebagai trader LEGENDARIS tidak disangsikan
> > lagi. Ketika dia MAEN PAKE MARGIN di Bucket Shop, dia selalu
> > menang. Sampai akhirnya dia TIDAK diijinkan lagi maen disemua
> > Bucket Shop.
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> > TAPI, ketika dia maen di SEKURITAS, dia malah RUGI sampe dia
> > harus MINJAM UANG dari temannya.
> >
> > KENAPA JM bisa menjadi CHAMPION maen pake MARGIN di Bucket
> > Shop dan menjadi PECUNDANG diperusahaan SEKURITAS ? !!!!!
> >
> > Pengalaman PAIT inilah yang membuat Rule no 2 dari JM yang
> > berbunyi NEVER... NEVER... NEVER lose your capital more
> > than TEN (10) percent !!!!
> >
> > KENAPA BISA BEGITU ?.
> >
> > Ketika dia main di Bucket Shop, dia selalu menang dan ketika
> > dia kalah lebih dari 10%, maka DIA di KICK OFF secara otomatis.
> > Dia maen pake MARGIN yang berbahaya tapi RESIKOnya terbatas
> > sebatas 10%.
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> > Tapi ketika dia maen di Sekuritas, dia KALAH BANYAK karena
> > ketika dia kalah lebih 10%, dia TIDAK dipaksa JUAL dan akhirnya
> > harga sahamnya TURUN LAGI ampe dia bangkrut...
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> > DARI pengalaman ini DIA MENERAPKAN secara KETAT Rule no2 yaitu:
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> > - NEVER... NEVER... NEVER lose your capital more than 10% !!!!
> >
> > Your capital is STILL 90% and you CAN MAKE REVANCHE if you
> > are a good trader...
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> > But if you LOSE your capital SEVERELY, you are OUT OFF the
> > business...
> >
> > Nah begitulah cerita : TEN % COMMANDMENT dari embah yang
> > diambil dari buku Jesse Livermore... Anda tidak boleh
> > melanggar aturan ini kalo engga mau masuk NERAKA
> > BURSA... hehehe...
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> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" <jsx-
> > consultant@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tadi malem embah baca kuliah Jessee Livermore ama anaknya
> > > tentang Rule no 1 mengenai Money Management:
> > >
> > > Keep your money in your left pocket near the ball yg kalo
> > > diterjemahin:
> > > - Simpan uangmu dikantong kiri deket BIJI P*LER...
> > >
> > > Lalu JM memberikan $10 bill ama anaknya, dilipat dan disimpan
> > > dikantong kiri depan. JM bilang lagi:
> > > - Jangan menyimpan uangmu dikantong belakang karena mudah
> > > diambil orang.
> > > - Simpan uangmu dikantong kiri karena rata rata orang tidak
> > > kidal (RIGHT HANDED).
> > > - Simpan uangmu dekat BIJI P*LER karena daerah tsb adalah
> > > daerah yang PALING SENSITIF, jadi kalo ada yang mau ngambil
> > > uangmu, 'burungmu' akan merasakan...
> > >
> > > MORAL of the story:
> > > - NEVER LOSE YOUR MONEY IN THE INVESTMENT/TRADING BUSINESS !!!
> > >
> > > Jika your capital ampe habis, YOU ARE OUT OF the capital
> > > market BUSINESS... anda di PHK.. MOKODONG dah ...TITIK....
> > >
> > > Note:
> > > - Buat PEMULA, lakukan STUDY yang mendalam tentang ilmu yang
> > > diperlukan untuk ikut main di capital market
> > > - Lakukan SIMULASI dan PAPER TRADING boongan untuk menTEST
> > > KEMAMPUAN anda sebelum MENCEBURKAN diri ke capital market..
> > >
> > > ...
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> > > embah
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