I have empathy for the difficulties of creating standards, Brian, and would be OK with keeping it if for no other reason than your wellbeing. If it were me, however, I'd remove it. If the reader misses the comma after the word celebrate or isn't familiar with the phrase (like me), it makes the sentence hard to understand IMO. Your call though. In any case, shall we agree that Oct. 25 is ABNF Day, so we can celebrate it or not?
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 1:10 AM Brian Campbell <bcampbell=40pingidentity....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > The phrase "for those who celebrate" there is a subtle attempt at a little > bit of good-natured humor. ChatGPT explains the general phrase thusly: > > The phrase "for those who celebrate" is often used to acknowledge that not > everyone may participate in a particular holiday, event, or tradition. It's a > way of being inclusive and respectful of diverse beliefs, practices, and > customs. For example, saying "Happy Holidays to those who celebrate" > recognizes that while some people may be celebrating a specific holiday, > others may not observe it or may celebrate different holidays. > > The meaning in the context of this document is to playfully acknowledge that > some people really like ABNF while others aren't readily familiar with it > and/or don't find it particularly useful. The former are those who celebrate. > The latter are those who do not. The document is inclusive of all. > > This lighthearted reference also reflects the journey of how ABNF came to be > included in the document. Seen here: > https://github.com/oauth-wg/oauth-selective-disclosure-jwt/issues/393, there > was initially a suggestion that including ABNF would be helpful for > implementers. Even though this was met with some skepticism about how many > people would actually find it useful, it was added to the document anyway. > > Of course, if a joke requires explanation, it tends to lose its humor. > Nevertheless, I remain partial to the text. Little attempts at satire, like > this one, that poke fun at the occasional absurdity involved in standards > development work help me keep it together in the face of the occasional > absurdity. > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 1:54 AM Travis Spencer > <travis=40curity...@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >> Section 4 of draft 13 of the SD-JWT WG document says: >> >> As an alternative illustration of the SD-JWT format, for those who celebrate, >> ABNF [RFC5234] for the SD-JWT, SD-JWT+KB, and various constituent parts >> is provided here: >> >> Who are those who celebrate? Those that celebrate birthdays, >> Midsummer, Halloween? I don't understand and think that phrase should >> be deleted. >> >> Suggested alternative: >> >> As an alternative illustration of the SD-JWT format in ABNF [RFC5234] for >> the SD-JWT, SD-JWT+KB, and various constituent parts is provided here: >> >> HTH! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list -- oauth@ietf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oauth-le...@ietf.org > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged > material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, > distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by > e-mail and delete the message and any file attachments from your computer. > Thank you. _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list -- oauth@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to oauth-le...@ietf.org
