You are correct. Just adding to access token would make a lot of devs happy and 
that certainly should be discussed. 

Two requirements issues:

1. A key use case is passing auth ctx only. An access token means asking for 
consent to access something. This causes many sites to loose new users. Authen 
only can be implicit consent. 

2.  Compatibility with OpenId ID Token and flows. 

3. There is a need to support re-auth and MFA/LOA negotiation. Eg web site 
would like to obtain a higher level of assurance for a higher risk action. 

The non-tech requirement is the soln must be received by client and service 
provider developers as easy to implement in addition to 6749 or even OAuth 
1.1a. I mention it because devs feel this should be trivial.  Your suggestion 
of adding to access token certainly fits this. 

Phil

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 0:44, Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> thanks for producing this document write-up. I have a somewhat basic
> question regarding the document.
> 
> The id token contains the following mandatory information:
> - sis: issuer
> - sub: subject
> - aud: audience
> - iat: issued at
> - exp: expiry
> - auth_time: time when the end user was authenticated
> 
> An access token (when encoded as a JWT) may contain all these fields
> except the auth_time (since auth_time is not defined in the JWT spec).
> 
> Given that your proposal actually does not define the authentication
> protocol to be used between the resource owner/end user and the
> authorisation server I am wondering whether it would be possible to just
> add the auth_time parameter (and maybe some of the optional parameters)
> to the access token. Then, you can skip the id token.
> 
> How do I come up with that question? In Kerberos, for example, the
> above-listed information is carried within a single container (within
> the ticket) and so I am curious to hear why we have to send the
> information twice in OAuth (once in the access token, when the info is
> passed per value, and again via the id token).
> 
> Maybe I missing something important here.
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
> 
> 

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