As I recall, the argument was that without this, someone could just keep 
fishing at the token revocation endpoint for valid tokens. Though thinking 
about it now, even if you did get a "token was valid" response, the token 
wouldn't be valid anymore and it wouldn't do you much good. 

It's possible that "invalidation" is a better term for this, but is there an 
established semantic precedent for this distinction? 

 -- Justin

On May 24, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Barry Leiba <barryle...@computer.org> wrote:

>> Sergey has the correct interpretation -- it's to prevent a class of oracle 
>> attacks.
>> Think of it this way, if you go to revoke a token, and the token wasn't 
>> there in the
>> first place, the end result is the same: the token's not there when you're 
>> done. So
>> it's a 200 because the result is what you wanted even if the state going in 
>> was wrong.
> 
> This highlights my point in my AD review:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-revocation/ballot/
> 
> ...that this is *not* revocation.  It's invalidation or surrender
> (requested by the bearer of the token) -- revocation would be an
> action by another party to invalidate a token without the bearer's
> involvement.
> 
> The usual defense against the sorts of attacks you're talking about is
> to make the failure conditions indistinguishable -- not to make
> success indistinguishable from failure.  That is, you have two
> responses, success and failure, but the failure response doesn't say
> why.
> 
> What, specifically, is the attack you're trying to defend against
> here, any why is this the best approach to that attack?  I can't see
> how a "please invalidate this token" request can in any way take
> advantage of a "no" response to mount an attack.  It's possible that
> there really is a threat here and that this is the right way to handle
> it, but I'd like to see that explained.
> 
> Barry, Applications AD

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