*I* am not going to do anything to move this forward which means nothing will 
happen unless someone propose text. Even the chairs can't instruct the editor 
to produce new prose.

All the chairs are going to do is give you the same answer. If you want the wg 
to consider anything at this point you must provide text. In fact, they already 
issued this clear instructions. 

Now, the overwhelming resistance to such a change would make *me* reconsider 
spending my time on this of I was in your position, but proposing text is the 
only advise the chairs can offer you at this point. 

If you think you can offer text that will win wg consensus you should. Arguing 
with me as a participant is, unfortunately, part of the deal. 

EHL

On Sep 6, 2011, at 18:27, "Michael Thomas" <m...@mtcc.com> wrote:

> On 09/06/2011 06:24 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote:
>> You clearly feel strongly about this. The only way forward if you want to 
>> pursue this is to suggest text and show how providing it will lead to more 
>> secure implementations. Otherwise this is just going in circles.
>> 
> 
> Didn't you just get done announcing how you weren't going to do anything
> under any circumstances unless you were forced to by the chairs? I think
> I'll wait for them to chime in before I waste my time.
> 
> Mike
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