The mysterious yellow-legged Larus just flew in and is currently preening on 
the beach at Old Field Point. 

Cheers,
-Tim H

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We studied the yellow-legged Larus at Old Field Point again yesterday, 27 Feb 
> 2022. For convenience, here are links to some checklists with useful photos 
> and descriptions of the bird:
> 
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist/S103596988
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist/S103599196
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S103599677
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist/S103711048
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S103758350
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S103798052
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist/S103770855
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S103820434
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S103880419
> 
> I’m increasingly convinced that this gull is a European L. a. argentatus. 
> There are many serious obstacles to the alternative interpretations.
> 
> The extent of white on P10 and P9, the restricted amount of black on PP6-8, 
> the absence of black on P5, and the large size of the apical spots on all 
> these feathers strongly counter-indicate Lesser Black-backed Gull, its 
> potential hybrids with various Herring-type taxa, Yellow-legged Gull, Caspian 
> Gull, and also most “Herring Gulls” (e.g., western/interior North American L. 
> a. smithsonianus and European L. a. argenteus). These features of the wingtip 
> are most consistent with northeastern North American smithsonianus (which is 
> locally abundant) and vagrant argentatus (not yet documented in New York, but 
> with records from Newfoundland). Published resources and series of 
> photographs from known sites and dates indicate that the wingtip pattern 
> wherein these two taxa approach each other most closely is very similar to 
> that of the Old Field Point bird. There are several very subtle distinctions 
> in primary pattern between the two taxa, and the assessment of these in the 
> Old Field Point bird seems to me to be the primary remaining task (see 
> below). 
> 
> But even if this bird’s wingtip pattern is equivocal, it must be noted that 
> it shows numerous other characters that closely match birds from the northern 
> breeding areas of L. a. argentatus, and that specifically point away from L. 
> a. smithsonianus:
> 
> 1.    Mantle tone. The bird’s mantle is definitely slightly darker than in 
> smithsonianus, the pale tone of which is extremely consistent and not prone 
> to variation (one could examine a thousand breeding Herring Gulls on Long 
> Island without finding a single bird approaching the mantle tone of the Old 
> Field Point bird. Conversely, argentatus is darker than smithsonianus and 
> argenteus, is furthermore described as being variable, and includes 
> populations described as closely resembling Yellow-legged Gull in mantle tone 
> (and other features, see next).
> 2.    Leg color. The bird’s legs and feet are yellow, which is atypical (but 
> not unknown) for smithsonianus, but quite typical for populations of 
> argentatus in the northern and eastern parts of its breeding range. Birds 
> with varying amounts of yellow in the legs and feet occur among smithsonianus 
> more frequently than do birds with noticeably dark mantles, but very rarely 
> approach the condition shown by the Old Field Point bird. in contrast, this 
> feature is common in the very populations of argentatus that match the Old 
> Field Point bird most closely in terms of wingtip pattern and mantle color.
> 3.    Bill pattern. The bill is intensely orange, lacks black markings, and 
> shows an elongated red gonys spot. The former point is probably equivocal, as 
> it covaries with leg color in variant smithsonianus:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/T15pGz
> 
> But the large gonys spot is possibly important, as it definitely points away 
> from smithsonianus. On Long Island, we are accustomed to interpreting an 
> elongated red gonys spot as indicative of Lesser Black-backed Gull, and this 
> was a source of confusion in initial assessments of the present bird. 
> Interestingly, this feature is apparently not unexpected among those 
> argentatus that most resemble the OFP bird (dark-mantled, bright-billed, and 
> restricted black in the wingtip):
> 
> http://www.gull-research.org/hg/hg5cy/adapr47.html
> 
> 4.    Orbital ring. The orbital ring appears to be red based on photos and 
> some descriptions, though I have not been able to confirm this fully to my 
> own satisfaction. If so, this points strongly away from smithsonianus, but 
> again, it is expected, in correlation with all the characters discussed 
> above, among northern argentatus.
> 
> Before concluding with a brief description of our remaining work regarding 
> the minutiae of the wingtip pattern, I feel the need to emphasize again that 
> this bird’s resemblance to a hybrid LBBG x HERG in several ways (mantle tone, 
> leg color, and gonys spot) is nevertheless superficial. For one thing, the 
> bright yellow leg color is brighter than that observed in putative hybrids. 
> But more importantly, its overall structure is Herring-like, and its wingtip 
> pattern is at the extreme end of variation in smithsonianus, in the direction 
> away from, not toward, the condition in Lesser Black-backed Gull. 
> 
> Here is what remains to be done:
> 
> 5.    Nail down the color of the orbital ring and gape.
> 6.    The shape of the large, broken mirror on P9 is distinctive—what does it 
> mean? (Example of a similar wingtip and details of p9 from Belgium 1 Mar: 
> https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/212753731)
> 7.    Do the lengths or shapes of the pale tongues in PP7-8 favor either 
> taxon?
> 8.    The black band on P6 shows a very slight W shape. This is ascribed to 
> smithsonianus but is readily found in photos of European Herring Gulls, at 
> least of ssp. argenteus:
> 
> http://www.gull-research.org/hg/hg5cy/adfeb66.html
> 
> For the sake of thoroughness, these points should be resolved and assessed 
> with regard to northeastern smithsonianus vs. northern argentatus. But it 
> seems to me that characters 5-8 could only weakly support smithsonianus or 
> counter-indicate argentatus, whereas characters 1-3 pose very serious 
> obstacles for smithsonianus and match northern argentatus to a surprisingly 
> detailed degree.
> 
> Finally, in going back through my photos of variant Herring and Great 
> Black-backed Gulls with yellow legs, I found another bird (from 3 May 2014) 
> that is suggestive of argentatus:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/RV27qh
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Shaibal Mitra
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:47 AM
> To: birdw...@listserv.ksu.edu; NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
> Subject: A Long Island, New York Larus with Yellow Legs
> 
> Dear ID Frontiers NYSBirds,
> 
> I would appreciate feedback regarding an adult yellow-legged Larus found 22 
> Feb at Old Field Point, on the north shore of central Long Island, New York.
> 
> Broadly speaking, it is a Herring Gull type, but there are reasons to doubt 
> each of the usual (and less usual) interpretations of Herring-like gulls with 
> yellow legs in this region at this time of year.
> 
> Most often, such birds prove to be otherwise typical smithsonianus Herring 
> Herring Gulls, which regularly show some degree of yellow color in the legs 
> and feet in late winter and early spring (as do small numbers of local Great 
> Black-backed Gulls). Another frequent interpretation is Herring Gull x Lesser 
> Black-backed Gull hybrid, which the original finder, Patrice Domeischel, 
> considered in the present case because of the bird's slightly darker than 
> smithsonianus mantle. A third possibility, always present in the minds of New 
> York gull aficionados, is Yellow-legged Gull, which was considered by 
> Patrice, and also by Peter Osswald, who independently found the bird on 23 
> Feb.
> 
> Patricia Lindsay and I studied the bird yesterday afternoon (23 Feb), and I 
> have reservations about all three of these hypotheses, which are explained in 
> my eBird report (link below). Briefly, Yellow-legged Gull is 
> counter-indicated by this bird's heavier than expected head and nape 
> streaking; it's notably large (larger than typical smithsonianus) apical 
> spots on the primaries; and other details of the wingtip pattern (more white, 
> less black than typical for smithsonianus, let along Yellow-legged Gull). The 
> latter two points regarding the primaries also point away from Lesser 
> Black-backed Gull ancestry. Finally, American Herring Gull is problematic by 
> virtue of the subtly (but clearly) darker than typical mantle tone; the 
> completely clear yellow tones of the the legs and feet; and details of the 
> wingtip pattern. I could not see the orbital ring color. Photos by Patrice 
> and Barbara Lagois seem to show it is red, but are not decisive on this 
> point, in my opinion.
> 
> I wonder if this bird might represent a yellow-legged example of northern 
> European L. a. argentatus, which I do not know well in life, but which is 
> described as having a slightly darker mantle tone than smithsonianus, a 
> wingtip pattern very similar to the present bird, and a relatively high 
> incidence of yellow leg color.
> 
> My preliminary analysis (with photos by Barbara Lagois) and two of Patrice's 
> checklists, also with excellent photos can be found here:
> 
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S103599677
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist/S103599196
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist/S103596988
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore, New York
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