Thanks to everyone who shared information about the appearance of juv Laughing 
Gulls along the LI shore this summer. It sounds as though they appeared 
relatively late but, as is sometimes the case, simultaneously in widely 
scattered places. Confirmation of a new breeding site on the island will 
probably have to wait until another year (I believe all the "confirmed" blocks 
east of Jamaica Bay in the Atlas represent flying juvs).

It's interesting to me that almost all the info about Laughing Gulls, which is 
what I asked for in my post, was offered privately, whereas it was my rather 
secondary--and mild--expression of disappointment about community effort 
patterns that garnered public discussion.  In giving serious thought to the 
various points that were raised, including my own, the only general theme I can 
discern that is worth pursuing is the question of whether or not birding itself 
can be studied, in a manner similar to how we study egrets and Laughing Gulls. 
I believe that it can, and I've scrupulously recorded data regarding the 
birders I've encountered in the field over the past 35 years in an effort to 
document their patterns of abundance, distribution, and behavior--and to look 
for changes or trends in these things.

And what's wrong with that? It's very likely that Andrew could marshall data to 
support his hypothesis about a shift toward alerts-oriented effort; Dave could 
well be drawing on a deep body of background knowledge when he criticizes my 
inability to identify egrets and report them in a satisfactory manner; and Arie 
might be right that his birding and reporting practices, including his chase 
and followup of the Little Egret, have been meritorious. My statement that the 
overall egret-chasing effort collapsed prematurely back on 22 May is not a 
personal attack on any particular person; it is a conclusion based on a large 
body of observations.

It's the information age--the data are out there!

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

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