The real problem with reporting on this list is really a matter of style and 
not content in my opinion.  Some people use this list to report information on 
common, resident or migrant birds and others use this list to report regional 
rarities and rare migrants.  So if you are only looking to see reports of 
"rare" birds, then reading about another Coopers Hawk in a yard and a common 
local breeder like a Hummingbird is a waste of their time.  The reporting of 
common birds in their proper habitat at the right time of year is mundane and 
boring to some and not necessary to read about or take the time to delete in an 
email.  While I do not personally see the point in reporting the obvious, this 
list does allow for reporting whatever one wants to about birds in NY, however 
common and mundane they may be.  While some might enjoy reading about a 
sighting of an extremely common winter visitor, others may find it annoying to 
have their inbox inundated with emails that state the birding obvious.  And the 
propblem with just removing yourself from the listserve is that you may miss an 
email of a rare or difficult to find bird.  So I think that the only solution 
to these recurring problems is for all 700 or so people involved in this list 
to only report "rare" birds on another list such as metro birds and to not use 
NYSBIRDS at all.   Let NYSBIRDS be a list to report common birds and 
interesting bird stories and then another list should be formed that all must 
agree to use to report rare birds throughout the state and not just in region 
10. I would be more than happy to start the list but it will only be successful 
if all involved agree to use it.  I think that is really the only answer to 
this problem and should put an end to all of the name calling and finger 
pointing and importance of where someone lives.  Actually I am shocked that 
there is not one resource to report rare birds throughout the state and not 
just locally.  I mean I want to know if there is a chaseable Sabines Gull in 
Niagra, or an easy to see Spruce Grouse or a Western Meadowlark in western NY 
and I could really care less about reading about a nesting hummingbird (unless 
it is not a Ruby throated) or a Coopers Hawk at a feeder (even my own).  When 
ebirds nyc was first started it was only for local "rare" birds but after the 
list owner had to give it up due to time restrictions, it changed into 
something that I really can not even stomach to read.  I just take it as one 
report after another of the obvious, but again, I keep my membership to the 
list becasue I may miss some actual intersting information on a rare bird if I 
just delete all emails from that list.  I personally feel the same about 
NYSBIRDS as well.  I find most of the reports to be statements of the obvious 
if you have any clue as to what birds should be in suitable habitat at the 
right time of year.  If everyone would like to join this new list to report 
only rarities throughout the state, please respond to me personally  and I 
would be more than happy to start the list.  But if all involved are not 
willing to cooperate with eachother, then all of our emails will be inundated 
with petty arguements that do nothing to help any of us see some birds. 
Otherwise, we have to continue to have this same sort of arguement (which I 
have been a part of in the past) with no real answer because of a difference in 
styles. SO what do you say, lets make one resource that all in the state can 
use to report only "rare" birds to.  Anyone who reports otherwise will be 
kicked off the list immediately so the list will keep its integrity and 
purpose. Again, while some may say just hit delete and what is the big deal, I 
completely disagree.  If I get 10-20 emails a day (more in spring) that I need 
to delete, I consider that a major waste of my time.  I work 2 jobs, I have 2 
kids and spend much of my free time renovating my house or with my family or 
sleeping.  Hitting delete 20 times a day is a waste of my time and I know many 
others that feel the same. Thoughts....
-Isaac


 


Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:51:24 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [nysbirds-l] the bottom line....



 the bottom line is that the original post was inappropriate and flat out 
incorrect. the list rules allow such posts.  i will not respond to the comments 
from the "dissenter", i, and appararently many others, i am told, take it from 
where it comes.  
 
JPA 
 John Askildsen Millbrook, New York
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