I'd not heard of Zansibar, but just found this gem. Looks worthy of a play: https://github.com/jaredonline/google-authenticator
-- Ian Moss alter.is | ruby & product consultancy services. http://www.linkedin.com/in/alteris ----- Original message ----- From: Darren Jones <daz4...@gmail.com> To: nwrug-members@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NWRUG] Alternatives to Devise Date: Friday, 23 August 2024 10:41 Thanks Frances. That’s really useful as well. @Tekin - when you say those generators are available now … what’s the best way to get them into a rails 7 app? On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 at 22:35, Francis Fish <francis.f...@gmail.com> wrote: > I used this as a basis cos current gig said no Devise > > https://dev.to/stevepolitodesign/rails-authentication-from-scratch-38m2 > > This was useful too > > https://blog.corsego.com/omniauth-without-devise > > It's actually pretty easy. I can't quite work out what the omniauth gem does > (injects something into Rack, I think) get methods get transformed into posts > that go out to the provider. That I did not like, cos rails routes doesn't > tell you anything useful and magic spells bad. > > If I hadn't been pressed for time I'd have done Omniauth myself. > > On Tuesday, August 20, 2024 at 8:09:44 AM UTC+1 Darren Jones wrote: >> Thanks for those replies. Think I’ll give those generators from Rails 8 a >> try. >> >> Some nice ideas there Lee. I’m thinking of setting up a template with some >> auth in place to make firing up a demo site easier. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 at 09:53, Lee Hambley <lee.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> It also depends on how far you want to go. >>> >>> In the wider world Google's Zansibar has become quite popular, which is a >>> general *authorization* framework. There's also AWS's verified permissions >>> where you can centralize rules about who can "verb" which "noun". Zanzibar >>> has open source implementations, and all the good docs come from Auth0, but >>> it's certainly worth a look. >>> >>> With regards to *authentication* I find myself implementing OAuth2 and OIDC >>> on every new project. I just assume that users are coming in with a UUID >>> identifier, and a signed token. I don't care where that token comes from as >>> long as my app has the relevant public/private key to authenticate it. >>> >>> That means when I'm starting out a new project I can just make broad >>> assumptions that a user will have a JWT/cookie and a UUID, and _how_ the >>> user gets that token down the line is easy for me to handle later. Then you >>> practically get SSO for free. It also makes testing easier, as your app can >>> just assume that any valid token with a "sub" claim (subscriber ID) is a >>> valid user (who likely has no email/profile/given name, etc) so you avoid a >>> lot of boostrapping and factories in tests. >>> >>> It also means that when I setup a new project I make a `/login` page which >>> just has a list of 3/4 example users and with a click it sets a cookie/jwt >>> and that lets me hope between demo users nice and easily. >>> >>> I know that's pretty left of field for Rails apps where there's often a >>> "batteries included" way of doing things, but in my experience it all pays >>> off quite quickly. >>> >>> (this idea was honed over a few years coaching startups in Google's >>> accelerator, we needed to get product demos up and running ASAP and people >>> would always spend a day working on login and lose 20% of the on-site >>> tutoring time during the on-site weeks. This approach gave the folks more >>> time to work on differentiating features, and also created an easy "demo" >>> mode they could show to prospective customers when we sent them out doing >>> user interviews) >>> >>> Lee Hambley >>> http://lee.hambley.name/ >>> +49 (0) 170 298 5667 <tel:+49%20170%202985667> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 at 19:13, Tekin Süleyman <te...@tekin.co.uk> wrote: >>>> One option worth considering today is to roll your own. Rails has much of >>>> the basic building blocks for authentication built directly into the >>>> framework now, and Rails 8 will ship with a set of generators that does a >>>> decent job of giving you the scaffolding code right there in your app >>>> where you can easily reason about it and modify it to suit your needs. You >>>> can get access to those generators today from Rails main. >>>> https://www.bigbinary.com/blog/rails-8-introduces-a-basic-authentication-generator >>>> >>>> I personally prefer the directness and flexibility of having my >>>> authentication code alongside the rest of my code over the indirection of >>>> it being loaded from a gem where it’s harder to reason about and more >>>> difficult to override/modify behaviour. The downside of course is you are >>>> now more directly responsible for ensuring your code is safe and secure. >>>> >>>> The generated code approach is actually what José Valim, the original >>>> creator of Devise, now recommends auth-in-a-box approach of libraries like >>>> devise (https://dashbit.co/blog/a-new-authentication-solution-for-phoenix) >>>> and I believe they now have generators as part of the Phoenix framework. >>>> >>>> Tekin >>>> >>>>> On 18 Aug 2024, at 3:00 PM, DAZ <daz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Devise seems to be the go to gem for auth, but has anyone found any >>>>> others that are worth trying? >>>>> >>>>> Rob mentioned Clearance at the talk on Thursday, but I thought he also >>>>> said it might be being sunsetted as well. >>>>> >>>>> Are there any others that people have used? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "North West Ruby User Group (NWRUG)" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to nwrug-member...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/66555abd-7ca8-40d5-9da1-f4fb89864ad6n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/66555abd-7ca8-40d5-9da1-f4fb89864ad6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "North West Ruby User Group (NWRUG)" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to nwrug-member...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/C633FFA4-6A5D-4EE5-8B21-C40C79FADC40%40tekin.co.uk >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/C633FFA4-6A5D-4EE5-8B21-C40C79FADC40%40tekin.co.uk?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "North West Ruby User Group (NWRUG)" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to nwrug-member...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/CAN_%2BVLUsWTTXwKQUaQ-ysyrPUatTnaiDwwup9wt%2BBbOeHKbxkA%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/CAN_%2BVLUsWTTXwKQUaQ-ysyrPUatTnaiDwwup9wt%2BBbOeHKbxkA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "North West Ruby User Group (NWRUG)" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to nwrug-members+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/b910eff9-72e3-4aa2-9251-2e7c9378751en%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/nwrug-members/b910eff9-72e3-4aa2-9251-2e7c9378751en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "North West Ruby User Group (NWRUG)" group. 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