Hi
Den ons 13 aug. 2025 19:48Matthias Weber <matthiaswebe...@gmail.com> skrev:
> Thank you so much Hans & Mikhael!
>
> I tested one of my lecture notes and get two complaints from VeraPDF:
> (90 failed checks and 577444 passed checks…)
>
>
> Specification: ISO 32005:2023, Clause: Table 5. P-Div, Test number: 1
> <P> shall not contain <Div> Failed
> 24 occurrences Hide
> SEDiv
> parentStandardType != 'P'
> root/document[0]/StructTreeRoot[0](231 0 obj PDStructTreeRoot)/K[0](239 0
> obj SEDocument document)/K[0](240 0 obj SEPart documentpart)/K[21](605 0
> obj SESect section)/K[1](611 0 obj SEDiv sectioncontent)/K[3](1770 0 obj
> SESect section)/K[1](1775 0 obj SEDiv sectioncontent)/K[4](1876 0 obj SEP
> paragraph)/K[2](1885 0 obj SEDiv formula)
>
I'm in phone mode. Wild guess: do you have something like
\startparagraph
Text
\startformula
1+1
\stopformula
Text
\stopparagraph
?
If so, try without the paragraph environment.
>
> and
>
> Specification: ISO 14289-2:2024, Clause: 8.2.2, Test number: 1
> Content that is not considered real shall be an artifact Failed
> 66 occurrences Hide
> SESimpleContentItem
> isTaggedContent == true || parentsTags.contains('Artifact') == true
> root/document[0]/pages[1](2 0 obj PDPage)/contentStream[0](407 0 obj
> PDSemanticContentStream)/content[3]/contentItem[0]
>
Harder to guess what this could be. Something that is not tagged?
/Mikael
>
> I am absolutely clueless about these two. Is there a way to find out what
> the problem is and how I can fix it?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2025, at 11:12 AM, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <
> ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Due to some pressure on this list we have been looking into reasonable
> mapping from context structure onto what pdf sees as structure as of 2025.
> This is not without risk as the pdf standard, tools, interpretations,
> whatever are in constant flux. We don't fall into the target audience so
> our decisions are guess work at best.
> >
> > That said, we now do the following. If you enable tagging
> >
> > \setuptagging[state=start]
> >
> > you get normal tagging, without so called rolemapping. This can work out
> ok with (future) more clever parsers of the content stream (think llm). It
> doesn't pollute the pdf too much but of course bloats it.
> >
> > Then, if you want to go fuzzy, you can say
> >
> > \setupbackend
> > [format=pdf/ua-2]
> >
> > \setuptagging
> > [state=start]
> >
> > This gives some basic mapping. Then there is a basic mapping that or
> with Mikael figured out and tested on lecture notes and a math book. Of
> course runtime increases (so the book now needs 14 sec instead of 8 but so
> be it we might be able to improve that a little bit but all that math ...
> it's not like one tags all day).
> >
> > \setuptagging
> > [state=start,
> > preset=basic,
> > % preset={basic,\jobname},
> > comment={just a basic test document}]
> >
> > You can kick in your own mappings, e.g. which could already be done with
> commands but we now prefer using an "imp" file as hard pdf mapping doesn't
> belong in a document setup. You, as user / author knows best what mapping
> is nneeded and can work. There is tagging-basic.tex document that explains
> this.
> >
> > We advise to delay tagging (if needed at all, which in my case is never)
> to when a document is finished (maybe by wrapping in a mode tagging) so
> that no runtime is wasted during writing / designing.
> >
> > You can test / check some with
> >
> > mtxrun --script pdf --structure [--detail --save] yourdocument
> > mtxrun --script pdf --validate [--interaction] yourdocument
> >
> > where the second one calls for verapdf, or simply test with
> >
> > mtxrun --script pdf --check yourdocument
> >
> > this is only for testing purposes; we might add some to it depending on
> our own or user demand. The possibly generated file serves no other purpose
> (and obeys crap-in-crap-out).
> >
> > Of course, different versions of verapdf can result in different results
> >
> > By default we ignore interaction because that is a mess in tagged pdf
> but you can use option=interaction to get something if needed. We think
> that when a document validates with exception of link/references no one is
> harmed.
> >
> > After the context meeting we will freeze the basic mapping but one can
> of course always modulate on it,
> >
> > Hans & Mikael
> >
> > (who will now pick up on more rewarding and fun things that we'd put in
> the hold)
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
> > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
> > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
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