Le 09/07/2025 à 13:02, Hans Hagen via ntg-context a écrit :
On 7/9/2025 10:40 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
Keith,
Is this perhaps why Europeans, despite being so proud of their own
languages, speak English?
Sound like you're a candidate for the french "context user interface"
I assume you left out dutch for a purpose:
Dat klopt! Ik heb Nederlands weggelaten, omdat het niet echt op deze
lijst wordt gebruikt. Maar dat geldt ook voor veel andere talen die in
Europa worden gesproken. Ik wilde ook geen Bretonnen, Ieren, Solenen,
Litouwers, Esten en Letten voor het hoofd stoten.
En je hebt gelijk, Hans: het Latijn dat we op school hebben geleerd, is
erg nuttig om de grammatica van de Romaanse talen te leren (maar
nutteloos voor het Engels!).
Wat betreft de Franstalige interface van ConTeXt, kun je me misschien de
lijst met specificaties sturen die ik vanaf september kan implementeren?
That's true! I omitted Dutch, which isn't really used on this list. But
that's the case for many other languages spoken in Europe. I also didn't
want to offend the Bretons, Irish, Solenes, Lithuanians, Estonians, and
Latvians.
And you're right, Hans: Latin learned in school is a great help in
learning the grammar of Romance languages (and useless for English!).
As for the ConTeXt interface in French, could you perhaps send me the
(one) list of specifications that I could implement starting in September?
Ist das vielleicht der Grund, warum die Europäer, die doch so stolz
auf ihre eigene Sprache sind, versuchen, sich auf Englisch zu
verständigen?
C'est sans doute la raison pour laquelle les Européens, pourtant si
fiers de leur propre langue maternelle, cherchent à se faire
comprendre en anglais ?
¿Es sin duda por eso por lo que los europeos, tan orgullosos de su
propia lengua (realmente intraducible), intentan hacerse entender en
inglés?
È forse questo il motivo per cui gli europei, pur essendo così
orgogliosi della propria lingua (effettivamente intraducibile),
cercano di farsi capire in inglese?
Αυτός είναι μάλλον ο λόγος για τον οποίο οι Ευρωπαίοι, που είναι τόσο
περήφανοι για τη γλώσσα τους (η οποία είναι πραγματικά αμετάφραστη),
προσπαθούν να επικοινωνούν στα αγγλικά.
Je to snáď dôvod, prečo sa Európania, ktorí sú tak hrdí na svoj
vlastný jazyk (ktorý je skutočne nepreložiteľný), snažia dorozumievať
sa v angličtine?
Será por isso que os europeus, apesar de tão orgulhosos da sua
própria língua (realmente intraduzível), procuram fazer-se entender
em inglês?
To pewnie dlatego Europejczycy, mimo że są tak dumni ze swojego
języka (który naprawdę nie da się przetłumaczyć), starają się
porozumiewać po angielsku?
etc.
Hans
(who by now has forgotten most french that got at school, although it
actually helped to get latin in both directions as many languages took
from that)
What is curious about English is that it was originally a Germanic
language. But with the Norman conquest of 1066, a mass of French words
appeared in the language (e.g. "sheep", but "mutton" (meal); or another
example: "tennis", which comes from the French verb "tenir", ‘hold!’=>
"tenez !" => "tennis"). I suppose Latin arrived in the UK with the
Catholic missionaries. Furthermore, French was once the language of
international diplomacy. And I find it particularly strange that the
working language of the European Union is English, especially since most
parliamentarians speak in their mother tongue.
JP
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