> (the object is returned as a normal file because there is no way to say
it has an unknown type)

I suppose that in both cases (ls and find) the informations are returned by
ntfs-3g : is that right ?
from what I understand, these pseudo files are more like links (broken
links to the cloud) than regular files : if you agree with this point of
view, wouldn't it be more relevant to announce them as such ?

Pascal

Le jeu. 27 févr. 2020 à 16:40, Jean-Pierre André <
jean-pierre.an...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit :

> Pascal wrote:
> > I have a little question about these special files...
> >
> > the ls command report MicrosoftEdge and python as (broken) links :
> >
> > # ls -l /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/
> > total 0
> > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   0 27 févr. 07:34 Backup
> > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   0 27 févr. 07:39
> > Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   0 27 févr. 07:34
> > Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> > *l*rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 132 27 févr. 07:34 MicrosoftEdge.exe ->
> >
> 'C:\Windows\system32\SystemUWPLauncher.exe(Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe!MicrosoftEdge)'
> > *l*rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 228 27 févr. 07:39 python.exe -> 'C:\Program
> >
> Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_1.0.30251.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\AppInstallerPythonRedirector.exe(Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe!PythonRedirector)'
> > *l*rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 228 27 févr. 07:39 python3.7.exe -> 'C:\Program
> >
> Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_1.0.30251.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\AppInstallerPythonRedirector.exe(Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe!PythonRedirector)'
> > *l*rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 228 27 févr. 07:39 python3.exe -> 'C:\Program
> >
> Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_1.0.30251.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\AppInstallerPythonRedirector.exe(Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe!PythonRedirector)'
> >
> > but find command report them as regular files :
> >
> > # find /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/ -type l
> > /(nothing is returned)/
> > # find /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/ -maxdepth 1 -type f
> > /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/MicrosoftEdge.exe
> > /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/python.exe
> > /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/python3.7.exe
> > /test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/python3.exe
>
>
> This is because "ls" and "find" do not rely on the same data.
> "ls" relies on the object attributes returned by stat(), and
> "find" relies on the data stored in directories returned by
> readdir().
>
> In this situation you are accessing a normal directory which
> contains unexpected data (the object is returned as a normal
> file because there is no way to say it has an unknown type).
>
> This can be fixed by analyzing deeper, but I am not keen on
> doing so until some useful meaning (which could be different
> from a symlink) can be assigned in Linux to such object.
>
> Jean-Pierre
>
> >
> > which normally should not be the case :
> >
> > # ls -l /tmp/test/
> > total 0
> > *l*rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 27 févr. 10:36 broken.link -> x
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 27 févr. 10:35 file
> > *l*rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 27 févr. 10:36 link -> file
> > # find /tmp/test/ -type f
> > /tmp/test/file
> > # find /tmp/test/ -type l
> > /tmp/test/broken.link
> > /tmp/test/link
> >
> > Le jeu. 27 févr. 2020 à 09:56, Pascal
> > <patate...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:patate...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >
> >     hi Jean-Pierre,
> >
> >     the plugin also works perfectly with Archlinux x64.
> >
> >     thanks again, regards, Pascal.
> >
> >     Le mer. 26 févr. 2020 à 18:08, Pascal <patate...@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:patate...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >
> >         hi Jean-Pierre,
> >
> >         the plugin works perfectly with Pop_OS (Debian Ubuntu like) x64
> >         : error I/Os no longer occur and files simply appear as broken
> >         links.
> >         I'll be testing shortly with Archlinux...
> >
> >         regards, Pascal.
> >
> >         Le mar. 25 févr. 2020 à 13:58, Pascal
> >         <patate...@gmail.com
> >         <mailto:patate...@gmail.com>> a
> >         écrit :
> >
> >             I haven't tested the suggested plugin yet, but, considering
> >             the results displayed, I'll be sure to look into it :-)
> >
> >             thanks for everything and especially for ntfs-3g
> >
> >             Le mar. 25 févr. 2020 à 13:46, Jean-Pierre André
> >             <jean-pierre.an...@wanadoo.fr
> >             <mailto:
> jean-pierre.andre-39zsbgiqgt5gwvitb5q...@public.gmane.org>>
> >             a écrit :
> >
> >                 Pascal wrote:
> >                  > this is more of a "cosmetic" problem : the
> >                 input/output errors displayed
> >                  > are confusing and may not be displayed.
> >                  >
> >                  > # ll
> >                 /mnt/sdb2/Users/Test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/
> >                  > ls: impossible d'accéder à
> >                  >
> >
>  '/mnt/sdb2/Users/Test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/MicrosoftEdge.exe':
> >
> >                  > Erreur d'entrée/sortie
> >                  > ls: impossible d'accéder à
> >                  >
> >
>  '/mnt/sdb2/Users/Test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/python.exe':
> >
> >                  > Erreur d'entrée/sortie
> >                  > ls: impossible d'accéder à
> >                  >
> >
>  '/mnt/sdb2/Users/Test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/python3.7.exe':
> >                 Erreur
> >                  > d'entrée/sortie
> >                  > ls: impossible d'accéder à
> >                  >
> >
>  '/mnt/sdb2/Users/Test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/python3.exe':
> >
> >                  > Erreur d'entrée/sortie
> >                  > total 0
> >                  > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 10 sept. 14:00 Backup
> >                  > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 10 sept. 14:03
> >                  > Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                  > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 10 sept. 14:00
> >                  > Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                  > -????????? ? ? ? ? ? MicrosoftEdge.exe
> >                  > -????????? ? ? ? ? ? python.exe
> >                  > -????????? ? ? ? ? ? python3.7.exe
> >                  > -????????? ? ? ? ? ? python3.exe
> >                  >
> >                  > are the unsupported reparse point dates displayed by
> >                 the ll command
> >                  > correct when the missing module is created
> symbolically ?
> >
> >                 Did you install the plugin I suggested ?
> >
> >                 This is what you should get (well approximately, please
> >                 ignore
> >                 the reformatting by the mailer), and obviously the links
> >                 lead
> >                 to no usable files (as ntfs-3g cannot start a remote
> Windows
> >                 executable).
> >
> >                 If you do not get this, please post the output of the
> >                 script from :
> >
> https://jp-andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/junctions.html#other
> >
> >
> >                 $ ls -l
> >
>  /win10/Users/Jean-Pierre/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps
> >                 total 0
> >                 drwx------ 1 linux linux   0 Jun 14  2019 Backup
> >                 lrwxrwxrwx 2 linux linux 198 Jan  4 13:37
> >                 GameBarElevatedFT_Alias.exe ->
> >                 'C:\Program
> >
>  
> Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.XboxGamingOverlay_3.36.6003.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\GameBarElevatedFT.exe(Microsoft.XboxGamingOverlay_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.XboxGamingOverlay_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App)'
> >                 drwx------ 1 linux linux   0 Jan  4 13:35
> >                 Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                 lrwxrwxrwx 2 linux root  132 Nov  1 11:11
> >                 MicrosoftEdge.exe ->
> >
>  
> 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\SystemUWPLauncher.exe(Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe!MicrosoftEdge)'
> >                 drwx------ 1 linux linux   0 Nov  1 11:11
> >                 Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                 drwx------ 1 linux linux   0 Jan  4 13:37
> >                 Microsoft.XboxGamingOverlay_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                 lrwxrwxrwx 1 linux linux 228 Jan  4 13:35 python3.exe ->
> >                 'C:\Program
> >
>  
> Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_1.0.32912.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\AppInstallerPythonRedirector.exe(Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe!PythonRedirector)'
> >                 lrwxrwxrwx 1 linux linux 228 Jan  4 13:35 python.exe ->
> >                 'C:\Program
> >
>  
> Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_1.0.32912.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe\AppInstallerPythonRedirector.exe(Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe,Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe!PythonRedirector)'
> >
> >
> >                  >
> >                  > # ll
> >                 /mnt/sdb2/Users/Test/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApps/
> >                  > total 0
> >                  > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 10 sept. 14:00 Backup
> >                  > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 10 sept. 14:03
> >                  > Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                  > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 10 sept. 14:00
> >                  > Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe
> >                  > lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root 25 10 sept. 14:00
> >                 MicrosoftEdge.exe ->
> >                  > 'unsupported reparse point'
> >                  > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 10 sept. 14:03 python.exe
> >                 -> 'unsupported
> >                  > reparse point'
> >                  > lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root 25 10 sept. 14:03
> >                 python3.7.exe -> 'unsupported
> >                  > reparse point'
> >                  > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 10 sept. 14:03 python3.exe
> >                 -> 'unsupported
> >                  > reparse point'
> >                  >
> >                  > Pascal
> >                  >
> >                  > Le mar. 25 févr. 2020 à 10:55, Jean-Pierre André
> >                  >
> >                 <
> jean-pierre.andre-39zsbgiqgt5gwvitb5q...@public.gmane.org
> >                 <mailto:
> jean-pierre.andre-39zsbgiqgt5gwvitb5q...@public.gmane.org>
> >
> >                  >
> >                 <mailto:
> jean-pierre.andre-39zsbgiqgt5gwvitb5q...@public.gmane.org
> >                 <mailto:
> jean-pierre.andre-39zsbgiqgt5gwvitb5q...@public.gmane.org>>>
> >                 a écrit :
> >                  >
> >                  >     Pascal wrote:
> >                  >      > hi everyone,
> >                  >      >
> >                  >      > as suggested by the package maintainer, I'm
> >                 transferring to you
> >                  >     an open
> >                  >      > ticket on Archlinux bug tracker :
> >                  > https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/63737
> >                  >      >
> >                  >      > regards.
> >                  >
> >                  >     The reparse point this ticket is referring to is
> >                 a link for
> >                  >     executing some cloud Windows application (this is
> >                 at least how
> >                  >     I understand it) and this leads to an
> >                 "unsupported reparse point"
> >                  >     error, because I do not know what kind of
> >                 meaningful support I
> >                  >     could provide.
> >                  >
> >                  >     Why would you access this reparse point in the
> >                 first place ?
> >                  >
> >                  >     Anyway I have uploaded a minimal plugin to
> >                  > https://jp-andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/execlink.zip
> >                  >     This will show the parameters available in the
> >                 reparse data,
> >                  >     and might give some information for somebody to
> >                 describe
> >                  >     what useful support might be expected.
> >                  >
> >                  >     Jean-Pierre
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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