Guys, be nice.  Dennis is unusual, sure, but unusual isn't bad.  We're
all unusual in some way.  I don't see anything sociopathic or trollish
here, just a lot of excitement about a program he's writing, and
perhaps a bit of naivety regarding the best ways to go about
recruiting contributors.


Dennis,

The reason you're getting no traction here is that your "I'm going to
be a larger than life superhero because of my code, which I want you
to help with, and it'll make you rich, but no, you can't see it"
matches a *very* common pattern of "crazy person", which we've all
seen before.  It's a lot of talk, and no substance.  It's trying to
spend credibility on credit, and that's not how credibility works.

I'd recommend that you assume that no one will take you seriously, and
focus on overcoming that, if your goal is actually to be successful
and recruit others to your mission of whatever it is you hope to
accomplish with your technology.  Of course, if your goal is to get a
little bit of attention, and wave your freak flag, well, then bravo,
you're doing a wonderful job, please carry on :)

FWIW, I agree with most of your politics, and wish you the best of
success.  You seem like a nice person.  But if you want to recruit
coders, write more code, and fewer words, and share it liberally.  The
revolution in software already happened, and that's the new paradigm.
You will gain more credibility if you become a part of the OSS
community before asking it for favors.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Joshua Gross <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe I'll get one, too :) this doesn't seem to be going anywhere though.
>
>
> -- Joshua Gross
> Christian / SpanDeX / BA Candidate of Computer Science, UW-Madison 2013
> 414-377-1041 / http://www.joshisgross.com
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Rick Waldron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Funny thing, I said much the same as you have here and got a gnarly
> chastising.
>
> -Rick
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Joshua Gross wrote:
>
> Dennis, this is a developer forum. If you want to peddle your software and
> aren't willing to show something besides videos, you're in the wrong place.
>
> Also I'm not going to watch a 15 minute video. You're not selling yourself
> very well, I kindly advise you to move on so this stops clogging my inbox :)
>
> -- Joshua Gross
> Christian / SpanDeX / BA Candidate of Computer Science, UW-Madison 2013
> 414-377-1041 / http://www.joshisgross.com
>
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Dennis Kane <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Why do you want the code so bad?  It's not like there's any kind of fancy
> algorithms at work.  There are many many open source windowing packages out
> there.  It's not exactly rocket science, this.  It's all been done many
> times before.  The only difference is that this one is *my* baby!  Besides,
> you are welcome to all the code of my desktop prototype on my site at
> luvluvluv.info... it's just sitting there on the server for the taking.
>
> I am mainly using this thing as blackmail to get people to be interested in
> being my friend.  I want to do some real world community building, and
> something like this will go a long way to get a cooperative business up and
> running.
>
> Furthermore... you do realize that asking another programmer to "just show
> me your code" is exactly the same as asking a girl to "just show me your
> breasts", right?  I mean, I have nothing against it in principle, but, my
> god... I hardly know ye!!!
>
> My lastest work includes that rubber-band selection feature as well as
> dropping icons directly onto folder icons (with that "open folder" hover
> trick).  I have also included some basic image file support.
>
> Latest video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5r0b7WWvU
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2012 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, sotonin wrote:
>
> Code.... post it.... else Zzzz
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Dennis Kane <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> See the newest features here--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_2DwueGLM
>
> The current version of the program now includes drag and drop functionality
> of text files from the native desktop straight into the browser desktop or
> (any of the subfolders). The difference between my drag and drop and all the
> HTML5 demos that you see on the web is that the dropped files immediately
> become icons that are integrated into the program.
>
> I will soon start working on getting multimedia icons/files working, so
> you'll be able to drop those directly in too.  Then I will probably do a
> very basic kind of image editing demo that will allow you to change
> individual pixels or some such nonsense.  But I don't want to get bogged
> down in the details of any particular application, because I always want to
> stay focused on the big picture of creating a totally powerful and intuitive
> way to organize our online lives.
>
> Anyway, I know I am quite a controversial figure here, but there should be
> no controversy that this thing is just about ready for prime time.  I really
> do need to start getting interested people on board who would like to help
> me push the web forward.  The basic mission statement for the venture will
> basically be that the "old web" (HTML4/version 1.0) is dead and gone.  If
> anyone calls in search of help on their Flintstone era <html> documents with
> all of their <a href> and <div> tags laying about, we'll just point them in
> an entirely new direction.  If they still insist on doing things the old
> way, we'll just hang up on them…  This thing is all about the future!
>
> We can easily develop libraries of high-level interface widgets that people
> just need to attach event listeners to.  There will be no angle brackets in
> sight! <hand><coded><html><markup></is></so></last></millenium>!
>
> Come one, come all, for the thrill of your lives :)
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:36:37 PM UTC-4, Dennis Kane wrote:
>
> I was thinking of just responding  to this old thread, in which I talk about
> the browser based Desktop that I've been working on, but the new thing I've
> been doing for the past week is so superior that I thought it deserved a
> completely new thead.  By the way, I know this forum is all about server
> side Javascript, but there is not really any serious place one can go on the
> web that talks about the client side.  Besides, with socket.io &
> websockets... I don't really make much of a distinction between client and
> server anymore.  I just know that there's no reason to do a
> document.getElementById() call in node :)
>
> This new thing is a totally shocking clone of OS X.  I knew I was going to
> have to start over from the ground up, because my previous code base was so
> sh*tty, haha!  I have really been concentrating on getting a nice, tight
> little API that developers will positively drool over.  I don't want to make
> this thing publicly available for many reasons... but you can check out a
> youtube vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_W19QokXk) that shows it in
> action, and I still have my same old crappy prototype online at
> http://luvluvluv.info.  Well, hopefully this is proof that I am able to do
> some cool stuff, and hopefully summa yous will want to start being my friend
> now, LOL!!!
>
> And get this... the current, uncompressed js file size is only 54kb!
>
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