From: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:29:59 +1000

> On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 12:18:25AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > 
> > A PCI device that presents itself as a SCSI controller, but under the 
> > hood is really iSCSI-over-TCP smells like TOE.  Running a virtualized 
> > Linux guest on top of a proprietary stack [which provides networking 
> > services to guests] also smells like TOE.  :)
> 
> Agreed.  However, when they start adding hooks to the ARP table, the
> routing table, and PMTU management, it begs the question what more is
> there to add for TOE (well, user-space driven TOE at least)?

Socket state, and that is one thing I don't see them doing yet.

> Put it another way, I think the dividing line between TOE and iSCSI or
> virtualisation is exactly the interface between them and the Linux kernel.
> If the interface is an existing one such as SCSI or standard IP then it's
> OK.  However, when it starts poking in the guts of the Linux stack I'd say
> that it has crossed the line.

Yeah, it's starting to smell really bad.

But we have to realize they've already been given %95 of the
interfaces they need to speak IP using our routes and our neighbour
entries.

Right?
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