For my fellow americans, LLUB stands for Local Loop UnBundling. What we might call a Unbundled Network Element.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:49 AM Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se> wrote: > On Mon, 11 Feb 2019, Mark Tinka wrote: > > >> In any case, we are now building out our own fiber to cover the gaps > >> left by TDC. Here the end user has to pay DKK 12,000 (USD 1,824 / EUR > >> 1,608) one time fee and with that he gets everything including 5 years > >> of free internet. This works out at DKK 200 / month including 25% VAT > >> tax (USD 30 / EUR 27). > > > > Very interesting - don't you feel that an initial outlay like that could > > put some potential customers off? Then again, per capita income in > > Denmark, I'd imagine, could allow most to think about this. If all that > > buys me Internet access for 5 years before I have to shell out anymore > > wedge, I'd do it. > > In Sweden it's very common that people who live in detached house areas > have to pay 1500-3000EUR to get attached to the fiber network as it's > being built out. There are even bank loans you can get to pay for this, > and pay it off over time. It's considered to be a good deal because it > improves the value of the house as well as a huge improvement over having > satellite-dish/terrestrial TV and ADSL/LTE for Internet access, now > instead you can pay 30-40EUR a month to get a everything over the fiber. > > Now, I like the LLUB model where ISPs get access to the dark fiber all the > way to the customer, and we do have that here as well, just not as > commonly as I'd like. That's where https://www.bahnhof.se/villafiber/ > comes from where they offer 10GE for 50EUR a month. This is done on Telia > LLUB:ed dark fiber which costs around 15EUR a month (regulated price). > It's a great PR case for "dark fiber access rocks and bitstream sucks". > You get IPv6 in there as well, which isn't commonly available on most of > the bitstream access services (because not only do we not do PON, we don't > do PPPoE either here in Sweden). > > So it's a mixed bag and pricing and functionality could definitely be > better, but the FTTH rollout has gone quite well here and it's as usual > 10-15 different factors contributing but the willingness of the population > who lives in houses to fork out 1500-3000EUR for fiber install has made > this a lot less cash flow misery for the ISPs that roll this out. I just > wish there would have been a requirement for everybody to actually rent > this dark fiber out (which there isn't unless you're one of the biggest > players) because after paying those 1500-3000EUR and you ask the fiber > installation company "who owns this fiber?" they say "we do" and if you > ask "ok, I'd like it connected to someone else" they will say "huh? what > do you mean". There is an unfortunate common conflation between the fiber > optic cable and the services offered on it. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se > -- Fletcher Kittredge GWI 207-602-1134 www.gwi.net
