On 25/01/2019 04:47, Steven Bahnsen wrote:
> First time poster looking for some input on a debate


This won't settle anything. You've just started the same old debate
again, from the beginning. Again. :)

There are almost certainly indexed threads of this mailing list with
enough answers to this question to last a life time of arguments. (See
also, c-nsp, probably j-nsp, UKNOF, etc.)

-- 
Tom

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