There's a reason that the subreddit for hidden services has this as a title .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/onions [image: image.png] On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:54 AM Aaron1 <[email protected]> wrote: > Makes we want to cry, so sad > > Aaron > > On Dec 7, 2018, at 1:43 PM, cosmo <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've done a bit of work in this space, wont elaborate ..... but here are > some thoughts : > > * many less-engaged or new pedophiles may indeed search such content in > the clear, however .... > * the persistent abusers tend to form communities within TOR hidden > services, making them difficult to find. Most are likely just consumers of > the material, but many are producers (inc kidnappers) > * some underground communities require that prospective members contribute > new abuse imagery/videos in order to prove they are not law enforcement. > Tragically this encourages abusers to abuse a family member > * other communities have plenty of essays espousing the viewpoint that > such behavior is quite natural, which does convince some to excuse their > behavior. This content itself does have the ability to convert > non-offenders to offenders, IMHO. > - The following article discuss these communities and their underlying > agendas. I'll warn you that you may need therapy after reading it ..... > * > http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1760-5-things-i-learned-infiltrating-deep-web-child-molesters.html > * Some of the content is indeed quite traumatic - it's as bad as they say > it is, and many people working in this space have long-term psychological > problems > * While many of these communities hide in TOR, making it difficult to find > the perpetrators, many of the images there actually link to images hosted > in public-facing image-hosting servers. This means that the abusers access > it through 3 hops through the proxy network instead of 6, for hidden > servers. > > This means that indeed, the majority of people accessing that content on > your network may be doing so from hotlinks posted to a hidden server > somewhere. You may see them primarily being accessed via known TOR exit > nodes. > > My recommendations : > * First, reach out to NCMEC for guidance on filtering/logging > * Second, Ive done a teensy bit of work for these guys at Thorn (Ashton > Kutchers nonprofit). They have an interesting program that attempts to > recognize people searching for abuse imagery, and redirects them to > material urging them to seek psychological help for their problem. : > https://www.wearethorn.org/deterrence-prevent-child-sexual-abuse-imagery/ > > > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:32 AM Lotia, Pratik M <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Very well explained, Max! >> >> >> With Gratitude, >> Pratik Lotia >> >> “Information is not knowledge.” >> >> On 12/7/18, 13:16, "NANOG on behalf of [email protected]" < >> [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well said >> >> >> On 12/07/2018 07:48 PM, Max Tulyev wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > >> > we are fighting with censorship in our country. So I have something >> to say. >> > >> > First, censorship is not just "switch off this website and that >> > webpage". No magic button exist. It is more complex, if you think >> as for >> > while system. >> > >> > Initially, networks was build without systems (hardware and >> software) >> > can block something. >> > >> > Yes, you may nullroute some IP with some site, but as the collateral >> > damage you will block part of Cloudflare or Amazon, for example. So >> you >> > have to buy and install additional equipment and software to do it >> a bit >> > less painful. That's not so cheap, that should be planned, brought, >> > installed, checked and personal should be learned. After that, your >> > system will be capable to block some website for ~90% of your >> customers >> > will not proactively avoid blocking. And for *NONE* who will, as CP >> > addicts, terrorists, blackmarkets, gambling, porn and others do. >> > >> > Yep. Now you network is capable to censor something. You just maid >> the >> > first step to the hell. What's next? Some people send you some >> websites >> > to ban. This list with CP, Spamhaus DROP, some court orders, some >> > semi-legal copyright protectors orders, some "we just want to block >> it" >> > requests... And some list positions from time to time became >> outdated, >> > so you need to clean it from time to time. Do not even expect people >> > sent you the block request will send you unblock request, of course. >> > Then, we have >6000 ISPs in our country - it is not possible to >> interact >> > with all of them directly. >> > >> > So, you end up under a lot of papers, random interactions with >> random >> > people and outdated and desyncronized blocking list. It will not >> work. >> > >> > Next, government realizes there should be one centralized blocking >> list >> > and introduces it. >> > >> > Ok. Now we have censored Internet. THE SWITCH IS ON. >> > >> > In a very short time the number of organizations have permission to >> > insert something in the list dramatically increases. Corruption >> rises, >> > it becomes possible, and then becomes cheap to put your competitor's >> > website into the list for some time. And of course, primary target >> of >> > any censorship is the elections... >> > >> > What about CP and porn addicts, gamblers, killers, terrorists? >> Surprise, >> > they are even more fine than at the beginning! Why? Because they >> learned >> > VPN, TOR and have to use it! Investigators end up with TOR and VPN >> exit >> > IP addresses from another countries instead of their home IPs. >> > >> > Hey. It is a very very bad and very very danger game. Avoid it. >> > Goal of that game is to SWITCH ON that system BY ANY REASON. CP, >> war, >> > gambling - any reason that will work. After the system will be >> switched >> > on - in several months you will forget the initial reason. And will >> > awake in another world. >> > >> > 07.12.18 08:06, Lotia, Pratik M пише: >> >> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether >> an ISP >> >> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) >> >> content? Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such >> domains and >> >> it wants ISPs to block it. >> >> >> >> On one side we want the ISP to not do any kind of censorship or >> >> inspection of customer traffic (customers are paying for pipes – >> not for >> >> filtered pipes), on the other side morals/ethics come into play. >> Keep in >> >> mind that if an ISP is blocking it would mean that it is also >> logging >> >> the information (source IP) and law agencies might be wanting >> access to it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wondering if any operator is actively doing it or has ever >> considered >> >> doing it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With Gratitude, >> >> >> >> * * >> >> >> >> *Pratik Lotia* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> “Information is not knowledge.” >> >> >> >> The contents of this e-mail message and >> >> any attachments are intended solely for the >> >> addressee(s) and may contain confidential >> >> and/or legally privileged information. 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