> On Jun 3, 2018, at 14:17 , Rodney Joffe <rjo...@centergate.com> wrote:
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>
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:21 AM, niels=na...@bakker.net wrote:
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>> * l...@satchell.net (Stephen Satchell) [Fri 01 Jun 2018, 14:51 CEST]:
>>> How does your shop, Niels, go about making contact with an operator that is
>>> hijacking one of your netblocks, or is doing something weird with routing
>>> that is causing your customers problems, or has broken BGP?
>>
>> The same as we do now, by posting on NANOG "Can someone from ASx /
>> largetelco.com contact me offlist?”
>
> Seriously? You’ve been around long enough to know thats a bull$&^% answer.
>
> Feel free to look through the archives of *this* list and look at how many
> times some $random handle at some $random privacy protected or generic domain
> asks for someone from $bignetwork to contact them about a network problem.
>
> Take you for example. You’ve been around for at least 15-20 years that I
> recall. But I bet you that 80% of the people on NANOG have *no* idea who you
> are or who you work for, and given the “useful" information on your website,
> an op would have to take the time to google you - which is way above the
> threshold of effort most people would take.
>
> And that preassumes that the ops from the tiny little network leaking your
> routes is actually a) subscribed here, and b) monitoring or filtering
> appropriately. And before you talk about the fact you stated “
> largetelco(dot)com” I would bet that there are large telco’s who don’t have
> op’s like us who waste their time on NANOG.
>
> So, instead of the suggestion you provided, do you have any other suggestions
> that are useful? I’m asking seriously, because I really do see this as a
> problem we all have to be able to solve as operators. I believe this is
> absolutely on-topic for one of the NANOG lists because this is a 100%
> operational problem, that has appears to have as its only GDPR acceptable
> solution alternative, following a manual/email thread from *your* next hop
> network, requesting contacts/intros all the way down to the dumba$$ BGP
> speaking edge network with a part-time routing guy/antenna installer.
>
> /rlj
>
Yeah, what Niels is really leaving out here is the open question of whether or
not GDPR will eventually lead to the destruction of Peering DB.
Owen
