Mike: I know Mr. Glass thinks of me as a not knowledgeable network professional, but I hope you know I’ve been doing “ISP stuff” for a couple decades. I know how to work the system. There really are not any other broadband providers in my area. Hell, LTE doesn’t even work well in my house, and I am less than a dozen miles from the center of Boston.
But more importantly, even if there were a second provider, how do you expect Joe & Mary User to find that provider if I cannot? (Not trying to be arrogant, just saying I am more experience in this field than the average consumer.) Broadband competition in the US is a myth, at least for most people. At best, competition is the exception, not the rule. At worst, it’s a thinly veiled monopoly. Hell, they brag about it being a duopoly where they can, as if that’s a great thing. Comcast’s chairman brags that Time Warner & Comcast do not compete in any cities. -- TTFN, patrick > On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Are there really no others or are the ones that are there just marketing > themselves poorly? Any nearby you could convince to expand? > > Over my WISP's coverage, I have at least 13 WISP competitors, 7 broadband > wireline and nearly that many enterprise fiber. I admit that may be > exceptional. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[email protected]> > To: "NANOG list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:25:54 PM > Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers > opposed to FCC privacy repeal > > Thanks, I was a bit confused why you said it, which is apparently because I > was confused. :-) > > I agree we need to do a better job educating users why this is important. > > And just so my opinion is clear, if there were a true market, I would not > mind ISPs who did this (with proper notice). Unfortunately, over half of all > households in the US have one or fewer choices for broadband providers. I am > one of them. What do I do if my ISP wants to collect my data? VPN everything? > > -- > TTFN, > patrick > >> On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It was more a plea to educate the list on why this matters vs. doom and >> gloom with a little more gloom and a little less Carmack. Instead I got more >> of the sky is falling. >> >> Note that I don't intend to ever do this at my ISP, nor my IX. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: "NANOG list" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:12:15 PM >> Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers >> opposed to FCC privacy repeal >> >> Mike: >> >> My guess is you do not. >> >> Which is -precisely- why the users (proletariat?) need to find a way to stop >> you. Hence laws & regulations. >> >> Later in this thread you said “we are done here”. Would that you were so >> lucky. >> >> -- >> TTFN, >> patrick >> >>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Why am I supposed to care? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Rich Kulawiec" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:45:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and >>> engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 06:45:04PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote: >>>> The claim oft presented by people favoring this customer abuse is that >>>> the sold data is anonymous. But it's been well-established that very >>>> simple data aggregation techniques can develop signatures that reveal >>>> the identity of people in anonymized data. >>> >>> This needs to be repeated loudly and often at every possible opportunity. >>> I've spent much of the past decade studying this issue and the most >>> succinct >>> way I can put it is that however good you (generic "you") think >>> de-anonymization techniques are, you're wrong: they're way better than >>> that. >>> Billions, and I am not exaggerating even a little bit, have been spent >>> on this problem, and they've been spent by smart people with essentially >>> unlimited computational resources. And whaddaya know, they've succeeded. >>> >>> So if someone presents you a data corpus and says "this data is >>> anonymized", >>> the default response should be to mock them, because there is a very high >>> probability they're either (a) lying or (b) wrong. >>> >>> Incidentally, I'm also a signatory of the EFF document, since of course >>> with nearly 40 years in the field I'm a mere clueless newbie and despite >>> ripping them a new one about once every other month, I'm clearly a tool >>> of Google. >>> >>> ---rsk >
