We don't know, and will never know if the content providers went to Netflix and said "You need to ban based on IP range" speculation at this point isn't useful.
*Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sr...@arbor.net *Arbor Networks* +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m) www.arbornetworks.com On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Tony Hain <alh-i...@tndh.net> wrote: > Matthew, > > I was not complaining about the business model, or the need to comply with > content provider requirements. The issue is the pathetic implementation > choice that Netflix made when a trivial alternative was available. I agree > that setting up rwhois and trusting the 3rd party tunnel providers to > provide valid information is substantially more effort than the ROI on this > would justify, but a redirect to IPv4-only requires no additional 3rd party > trust for geo-loc than an IPv4 connection to begin with, would still catch > the bad actors, yet works correctly for those trying to move the Internet > forward. > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew > > Huff > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:45 PM > > To: Laszlo Hanyecz; nanog@nanog.org > > Subject: RE: Netflix banning HE tunnels > > > > The content providers wouldn't care if it was a very small number of > people > > evading their region restrictions, but it isn't a small number. Those > avoiding > > it are already not in good faith. While I don't agree with the content > > providers business model, it's their content, their rules. > > > > If you don't think it's right that Netflix is blocking VPNs and tunnels, > then > > switch to Hulu and/or Amazon, however it's just matter of time before > they > > start blocking VPNs and tunnels themselves. > > > > I agree that matching Geolocation with source IP addresses is a bad > idea, but > > until someone comes up with a better idea and gets it implemented ( one > > that can't be modified by the end user), people with a business model > that > > depends on it will continue to block based on IP. "Good faith" will be > > laughed at, and rightly so. > > > > > > > > ---- > > Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations | > > Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC | Phone: 914-460-4039 > > aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-694-5669 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Laszlo > > > Hanyecz > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:34 PM > > > To: nanog@nanog.org > > > Subject: Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2016-06-08 18:57, Javier J wrote: > > > > Tony, I agree 100% with you. Unfortunately I need ipv6 on my media > > > subnet > > > > because it's part of my lab. And now that my teenage daughter is > > > > complaining about Netflix not working g on her Chromebook I'm > > > starting to > > > > think consumers should just start complaining to Netflix. Why should > > > I have > > > > to change my damn network to fix Netflix? > > > > > > > > In her eyes it's "daddy fix Netflix" but the heck with that. The man > > > hours > > > > of the consumers who are affected to work around this issue is less > > > than > > > > the man hours it would take for Netflix to redirect you with a 301 > > > > to > > > an > > > > ipv4 only endpont. > > > > > > > > If Netflix needs help with this point me in the right direction. > > > > I'll > > > be > > > > happy to fix it for them and send them a bill. > > > > > > > > > > They're doing the same thing with IPv4 (banning people based on the > > > apparent IP address). Your IPv4 numbers may not be on their blacklist > > > at the moment, and disabling IPv6 might work for you, but the > > > underlying problem is the practice of GeoIP/VPN blocking, and the > > > HE.net tunnels are just one example of the collateral damage. > > > > > > I don't know why Netflix and other GeoIP users can't just ask > > > customers where they are located, instead of telling them. It is > > > possible that some user might lie, but what about "assume good faith"? > > > It shows how much they value you as a customer if they would rather > > > dump you than trust you to tell them where you are located. > > > > > > -Laszlo > > > > > >
