This is not a zero sum solution. Fallback to IP geolocation if more precise location detection is not available, but if it is, use that. You could even have a "location score" composite index composed of all the different locale and historical session data you've accumulated. (cf things like cloudflare bad-actor detection which uses many heuristics to determine if you are who you say you are and whether to serve content to you)
On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Spencer Ryan <sr...@arbor.net> wrote: > And what about the millions of TVs, DVD players and all the other embedded > devices that don't/can't support any kind of location services? > On Jun 3, 2016 4:38 PM, "Cryptographrix" <cryptograph...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > It's much less hard to make an IP connection lie about it's location than > > it is to make a non-rooted (which is easy to detect) iOS device lie about > > it's AGPS-derived location. > > > > In all cases. > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:28 PM Naslund, Steve <snasl...@medline.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Two problem I see with that. > > > > > > 1. My TV is going to have a hard time figuring out its GPS > location > > > inside my living room. > > > 2. It's not hard to make a device lie about a GPS position. > > > > > > Steven Naslund > > > Chicago IL > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of > Cryptographrix > > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:18 PM > > > To: Robert Jacobs; Spencer Ryan > > > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group > > > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed > > > > > > To be honest, I don't care about content providers having control over > > > regional access controls - it's completely technologically backwards, > but > > > they're all about time zones so they can do what they want. > > > > > > BUT there are more reliable ways than using an IP to get geographic > > > location in an era where any website can request your GPS location. > > > > > > They have an iOS team that can provide them with *the most > > authoritatively > > > precise location of my device* for their Apple TV app. > > > > > > My IP should be the last thing they check to determine my location. I > can > > > do a million things to tweak that, including things that their proxy > > > detection will never ever find out about. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:55 PM Robert Jacobs <rjac...@pslightwave.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Seems everyone continues to forget the content providers are not > > > > Netflix...They are the Disney, Discovery, NBC, Turner ect... These > are > > > > the ones that put clauses and restrictions in their licensing and > > > > re-broadcast agreements forcing things like Netflix is doing.. > > > > > > > > Robert Jacobs | Network Director/Architect > > > > > > > > Direct: 832-615-7742 > > > > Main: 832-615-8000 > > > > Fax: 713-510-1650 > > > > > > > > 5959 Corporate Dr. Suite 3300; Houston, TX 77036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Certified Woman-Owned Business > > > > > > > > 24x7x365 Customer Support: 832-615-8000 | supp...@pslightwave.com > > > > This electronic message contains information from Phonoscope > Lightwave > > > > which may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended > > > > to be for the use of individual(s) or entity named above. If you are > > > > not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or > > > > use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have > > > > received this electronic message in error, please notify me by > > > > telephone or e-mail immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Spencer > Ryan > > > > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:49 PM > > > > To: Cryptographrix <cryptograph...@gmail.com> > > > > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> > > > > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed > > > > > > > > I don't blame them for blocking a (effectively) anonymous tunnel > > broker. > > > > I'm sure their content providers are forcing their hand. > > > > On Jun 3, 2016 3:46 PM, "Cryptographrix" <cryptograph...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Netflix needs to figure out a fix for this until ISPs actually > > > > > provide > > > > > IPv6 natively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:13 PM Blair Trosper > > > > > <blair.tros...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Confirmed that Hurricane Electric's TunnelBroker is now blocked > by > > > > > > Netflix. Anyone nice people from Netflix perhaps want to take a > > > > > > crack at this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, <mike.hy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Had the same problem at my house, but it was caused by the IPv6 > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > to HE. Turned of V6 and the device worked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent with Airmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On June 1, 2016 at 10:29:03 PM, Matthew Kaufman > > > > > > > (matt...@matthew.at) > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every device in my house is blocked from Netflix this evening > > > > > > > due to their new "VPN blocker". My house is on my own IP space, > > > > > > > and the > > > > > outside > > > > > > > of the NAT that the family devices are on is 198.202.199.254, > > > > > > > announced by AS 11994. A simple ping from Netflix HQ in Los > > > > > > > Gatos to my house should show that I'm no farther away than > > > > > > > Santa Cruz, CA as microwaves fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when one calls Netflix support to talk about > > > > > > > this, the only response is to say "call your ISP and have them > > > > > > > turn off the VPN software they've added to your account". And > > > > > > > they absolutely refuse to escalate. Even if you tell them that > > > > > > > you are > > > > essentially your own ISP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So... where's the Netflix network engineer on the list who all > > > > > > > of us > > > > > can > > > > > > > send these issues to directly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew Kaufman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
