What Cisco routers, and what vintage IOS, are you finding have no IPSec 
support? I've not run into that problem. 

 -mel beckman

> On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Jon Lewis <jle...@lewis.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2015, Mel Beckman wrote:
>> 
>> If it doesn't support IPSec, it's not really IPv6. Just as if it failed to 
>> support any other mandatory IPv6 specification, such as RA.
> 
> Go tell cisco that.  IIRC, the first network I dual-stacked, I was kind of 
> surprised when I found I could not use authentication in OSPFv3, because 
> OSPFv3 assumes IPv6 will supply the IPSec to do auth...but these routers 
> didn't support IPSec.  They still managed to route IPv6 and support IPv6 
> customers...so it really was IPv6...just not the full suite of everything 
> you'd expect from IPv6.
> 
>> Your observation simply means that users must be informed when buying IPv6 
>> devices, just as they must with any product. You can buy either genuine IPv6 
>> or half-baked IPv6 products. When I speak of IPv6, I speak only of the 
>> genuine article.
> 
> Does anyone buy "IPv6 devices"?
> 
> The biggest hurdle I've seen with IPv6 adoption (i.e. going dual-stack, with 
> the idea that we'll gradually transition most things / most traffic from v4 
> to v6) is the number of end-user network providers that don't offer v6 at 
> all.  My home cable internet provider still doesn't offer IPv6.  When I asked 
> one of their support people about it recently, I was told not to worry, they 
> have plenty of v4 addresses left, but it was implied that they do plan to 
> start offering v6 sometime soon.  They should have started rolling out IPv6 
> to any customers that wanted it years ago, so that by today, it would be 
> standard for all their installations to be dual-stack.  But here we are, 
> nearly 2016, and they don't have a single IPv6 customer (AFAIK) yet.
> 
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