That makes sense now understanding how CPE equipment has evolved into 
segmenting layer 2 services like that. /48 it is.

Most GPON networks are composed of large layer 2 rings. No way to break that up 
without adding additional equipment and that can get costly. With IPv4 we got 
around the need to configure discrete VLANs/subnets by putting all customers in 
the same VLAN and turning on the DHCP snooping/source-guard features. My 
remaining question is why isn't this desired with IPv6? What security concerns 
are there with turning up SLAAC / DHCPv6 within the same /64 for everyone that 
are different from IPv4?




Joshua Moore
Network Engineer
ATC Broadband
912.632.3161 - O | 912.218.3720 - M



-----Original Message-----
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 3:55 PM
To: Josh Moore
Cc: Owen DeLong; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: IPv6 Subscriber Access Deployments

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 19:40:44 -0000, Josh Moore said:

> The question becomes manageability. Unique VLAN per customer is not 
> always scalable. For example, only ~4000 VLAN tags. What happens when 
> you have more than that many customers?

If you're hanging 4K customers off the same switch, you probably have bigger 
issues than running out of VLAN tags...

> We are talking very, very, small customers here. SOHO to say the most.
> /64 should be more than sufficient for their CPE router.

A Linksys WNDR3800 running CeroWRT (and probably OpenWRT by now) will prefer to 
create multiple /64's - one for the 4 wired ports, one for private access on 
the 2.4G radio, one for guest access on the 2.4, and another private/guest pair 
on the 5G radio. So there is CPE gear out there now that can blow through 5 
/64s by default, and more if you enable VLANs.

A /56 allocated via DHCPv6-PD would be a *minimum*.  And prefixes are cheap, so 
you may as well hand them a /48, just in case they have a second WNDR3800 at 
the other end of the building for coverage - because that one will then ask the 
upstream one for a -PD allocation.  So if you give the CPE a /48, it can keep a 
/56 for itself, and hand the downstream a /56, and they can each allocate /64s 
as needed.

And remember - prefixes are cheap and plentiful, so don't bother with /52 or 
/60, just split on 8-bit boundaries to make life easier for yourself...

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