But what is the "best compromise" strategy? Dual stack + CGN? Some kind of 
intelligent 6to4 NAT?




Thanks,

Joshua Moore
Network Engineer
ATC Broadband
912.632.3161

On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Ca By 
<cb.li...@gmail.com<mailto:cb.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:



On Saturday, July 4, 2015, Josh Moore 
<jmo...@atcnetworks.net<mailto:jmo...@atcnetworks.net>> wrote:
Traditional dual stack deployments implement both IPv4 and IPv6 to the CPE.
Consider the following:

An ISP is at 90% IPv4 utilization and would like to deploy dual stack with the 
purpose of allowing their subscriber base to continue to grow regardless of the 
depletion of the IPv4 space. Current dual stack best practices seem to 
recommend deploying BOTH IPv4 and IPv6 to every CPE. If this is the case, and 
BOTH are still required, then how does IPv6 help with the v4 address depletion 
crisis? Many sites and services would still need legacy IPv4 compatibility. 
Sure, CGN technology may be a solution but what about applications that need 
direct IPv4 connectivity without NAT? It seems that there should be a mechanism 
to enable on-demand and efficient IPv4 address consumption ONLY when needed. My 
question is this: What, if any, solutions like this exist? If no solution 
exists then what is the next best thing? What would the overall IPv6 migration 
strategy and goal be?

Sorry for the length of this email but these are legitimate concerns and while 
I understand the need for IPv6 and the importance of getting there; I don't 
understand exactly HOW that can be done considering the immediate issue: IPv4 
depletion.


Thanks

Joshua Moore
Network Engineer
ATC Broadband
912.632.3161


Yep, dual-stack does not solve problems for eyeball networks. This is why 
eyeball networks use ds-lite, 464xlat, and map. Each requires some sort of 
compromise.

At the end of the day, we all need to reject 'direct ipv4', it is an invalid 
requirement that cannot be supported at scale over time.

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