On 13 Jun 2015, at 17:49, Randy Bush wrote:

i have seen many universities and large enterprises with as much clue as your serious isp.

I've seen a few, but not many. All of the ones I've seen who fall into that category operate significant public-facing infrastructure, so they have personnel with the necessary skillsets and experience.

where they fall behind your avaerage nanogger is testosterone poisoning.

I couldn't agree more.

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Roland Dobbins <rdobb...@arbor.net>

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